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Posted By: Charles Pope In Response To: Penelope and Calypso (Charles Pope)
Date: Tuesday, 31 October 2006, at 6:16 p.m.
In Response To: Penelope and Calypso (Charles Pope)
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I'm getting a bit tangled up in the analysis of Penelope and Calypso/Circe. Here's a preliminary analysis of their children.
The sons of Odysseus by Calypso are named as Latinus and the "twins" Nausithous and Nausinous. The sons of Odysseus by Circe are called Latinus, Agrius, and Telegonus. It seems reasonable that they should be melded as follows:
1) Latinus (referred to in the Odyssey as Elatus?, "elevated"). Lat/Leto (defined by Graves as "Lady or Stone") was the name of the swan goddess, and the name given to the mother of Helen of Troy (the God's Wife Merit-Amon. Compare Lat and Rat/Rud (as in Nimrod, a Geb/Reuben and Horus/Joshua type). The stone is however associated with Osiris.
2) Nausithous (Agrius, "wild"). Nausithous is defined by Graves as "impetuous sailor". Sith alludes to the impetuous god Levi/Seth. Agrius was also an epithet of the mythical wild Centaur (half horse, half man), a representation of the god Enlil/El and his line, which included Seth.
3) Nausinous (Telegonus). Nausinous is defined by Graves as "impetuous sailor". Telegonus ("distant/last-born") was the "son" that fulfilled a prophesy by killing Odysseus (with a stingray spine/barb). The name Nausinos relates to Sinon as well, who acted as a spy at Troy and extricated the men from the Trojan Horse so they could take the city.
Penelope has two sons:
1) Telemachus, true son of Mentor (Mentuemhet) known as Nes-Ptah II/Cyrus II.
2) Polioporthis (Pan), defined by Graves as "sacker of cities". "Monstrous Pan" was born to Penelope by one of the suitors (all of which were eventually "killed" by Odysseus and Telemachus).
Quite probably, none of the above princes were actually the biological sons of Odysseus. Determining the actual fathers is difficult and perhaps not possible with full certainty. We do have a fairly short list of younger princes that became leading kings and were therefore likely to have been born to one of the above queens (Shepenwepet II or Amenirdis II). These include:
1) Tit-kheperre Psusennes II/Cambyses I
2) Heqa-maatre Ramses IV
4) Nes-Ptah II/Cyrus II
5) Smendes II/Assurbanipal/Nabu-shazban/Smerdis
Pan is a Greek name of Thoth/Minh (Simeon). Unfortunately, there were kings that shared the role of Simeon. These same two also split the role of Moses. First, there was Si-Amun/Nebuchadrezzar II (Nabu-sharru-user/Sharezer), a co-conspirator with Adrammelech in the slaying of Sennacherib. The second was Smendes II/Assurbanipal(Biblical Bani/Shebna). The name Smendes is associated with the "goat of Mendes" and also to the goat-man Pan. There was a prominent (and unpunished) conspirator in the Harem Conspiracy of Ramses III called Panhayboni, the steward of cattle, a name which seems to link Pan and Bani. Sheba ("seven"), a variant of Shebna, was an epithet of Thoth as was Nabu.
Based on these clues, Pan/Polioporthis ("sacker of cities") would seem to best match Smendes II/Assurbanipal. The actual father of this prince was likely Eurymachus/Aristodemus (Menkheperre/Sennacherib), who ordered/authorized the plot to kill Ramses III.
Siamun/Nebuchadrezzar would then associate with Telegonus/Nausinous/Sinon (defined by Graves as "plunderer"). Telegonus does not appear to be a true son of Odysseus either, because he rather than Pan/Polioporthis is the one credited with ending the life of Odysseus. However, the actual father is not obvious. If he was also the son of Menkheperre/Sennacherib, then he also had a hand in his true father's death also. It is more likely that he was the son of Sargon in his old age (by his own daughter Shepenwepet/Penelope) and this accounts for the air of superiority assumed by this prince in the dual typecasting of Simeon/Hermes/Thoth and Moses (son of Joseph). It also helps explain his difficulty in producing heirs.
Certainly, this pair of kings (Assurbanipal and Nebuchadrezzar) worked in tandam to first defeat Taharqa and then Tanuatamon/Teuman, as well as sack and plunder cities, especially Thebes in Egypt with their Assyrian and Babylonian armies. We might imagine then that Pan/Assurbanipal captured Tanuatamon/Teuman (Odysseus), but his partner Nausinous/Nebuchadrezzar was the one that actually put him to death.
This leaves the identities of Latinus and Nausithous. The leading candidates, by process of elimination, would be Psusennes II and Ramses IV, respectively.
Ramses IV, who supervised the Harem Conspiracy trial, was considered the first heir (at least in Egypt) to the throne of Ramses III. His mother is not known for certain, but thought to have been either Isis (i.e., Nitocris) or Titi, another queen of Ramses III. His Biblical name is Jeho-ahaz (IV), which corresponds to the Libyan name Takelot. Takelot had earlier been the Libyan king name of the first Ramses. The name Takelot is a variant of Nimrod and therefore originally indicated a Horus typecasting, but one which perhaps came to emphasize the inheritance of Horus from Seth (Greek Apollo) when it was used by Ramesside Era kings.
Ramses IV (Jehoahaz) seems to have been destined to be disgraced in favor of the next successor, Psusennes II/Cambyses (Jehoiakim). He comes off more as an Osiris type than either Horus or Seth. An earlier Osiris (the impetuous Elijah/Abijah) had in fact been referred to by the variant Abijam ("sailor" in Hebrew). But, it still not totally clear whether the name Nausithous ("impetuous sailor") relates to Ramses IV and why he would be considered the twin of Siamun/Nebuchadrezzar.
Nebuchadrezzar was an intense rival of Psusennes II/Cambyses (Biblical Eliakim/Jehoiakim) and was responsible for that king's death and burial. Psusennes II/Cambyses I had a definite tragic Joshua/Tut typecasting, but Nebuchadrezzar was eager to carry out the killing of Psusennes. Nebuchadrezzar was in the role of Moses and Simeon, both of which were associated with the death of Osiris (Eliezer/Elijah type), but not a Horus (Gershom/Joshua type). Perhaps there was an attempt to convert the role of Psusennes and make him a replacement for Ramses IV in that capacity. Regardless, the typecasting appears a little confused and needs further study.
Other than Odysseus/Tanuatamon himself, the only other obvious Seth type was a prince called Montu-hirkhepeshef, who seems to have been an heir of Taharqa that predeceased him. Another Sethian type was perhaps Pentawere, the prince who intended to replace Ramses III as part of the assassination plot. Pentawere was forced to commit suicide when the plot failed, yet he may have been the "fall guy" in a sting operation. That is, the intention may have been for Ramses III to survive the bite of the serpent all along, and in order to change his skin to that of a Horus/Benjamin.
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Charles Pope -- Tuesday, 31 October 2006, at 1:54 p.m.
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Charles Pope -- Tuesday, 31 October 2006, at 6:16 p.m.
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