Homecoming of Odysseus
Posted By: Charles Pope In Response To: Trick or Treat? Odysseus and Steve Irwin? (Charles Pope)
Date: Wednesday, 1 November 2006, at 3:37 p.m.
In Response To: Trick or Treat? Odysseus and Steve Irwin? (Charles Pope)
I'm taking a few days off from work. Books and papers are strewn all over the floor of my study like clothes in a love-frenzy. (Those who can't do, read.)
Here's some additional profiling on the f'd up family of Odysseus.
According to Robert Graves, the real father of Odysseus was not Laertes but Sisyphus, who covertly sired him on Anticleia daughter of Auto-lycus, "very wolf". Anticleia can be interpreted as "against the famous one", i.e. implying that she was a rival sister of our Helen. Sisyphus is another one of those recurring mythical names. Sisyphus, "very wise" is associated with the toil of the sun-god, who pushes the ball (of the sun-disc) up the hill (in the sky) only to watch it slip back down again. Another name for this suffering sun-god is Tantalus. The Biblical Jacob role is also that of the weary and crippled old sun-god Tantalus/Sisyphus.
A leading queen Clyta-em-Nestra had her firstborn child by Tantalus. However, Agamemnon made war on Tantalus and took his kingdom. Agamemnon then forced Clytaemnestra to become his wife, after which she bore Orestes. The kingdom that Agamemnon usurped was the Great Throne of Ramses II. Agamemnon (Takelot III/Shabaka) did not necessarily kill Ramses the Great, but the coup was deliberately timed to coincide with his expected passing. Supposedly the unnamed firstborn son of Clytaemnestra was also taken by Agamemnon (literally from her nursing breast) but it seems not to be destroyed but relegated to the status of "eldest son" of Agamemnon, namely his right hand man Odysseus.
The name Clytaemnestra, defined with some uncertainty by Graves as “praiseworthy of wooing”, is apparently a transliteration of Qalhata (~Clyta), a Nubian princess explicitly called the daughter of Kashta. Ramses II had shared the Joshua/Herakles role with his father Seti. Ramses II in turn shared the "Jacob son of Joshua" role with his son Hori/Kashta. Technically, Hori/Kashta (Aegisthos) was the son of Khaemwaset by the Chief Wife of Ramses II, the God’s Wife Nefertari (Pelopia/Gorgophone).
It has already been deduced that the Greek notable Tyndareus corresponds to Khaemwaset/Sheshonq V, the oldest true son of Ramses II and Crown Prince until his untimely death, and that he was also called Nestor (the Elder). Clytaemnestra, as the very name suggests was related to Nestor. She is considered the daughter of Tyndareus (or of Zeus) by his own daughter Leda, but she may have instead been the granddaughter of Tyndareas through his son Aegisthos (Kashta) and Leda. Leda, also called Europe/Europa was the mother Piye (Menelaus) by Hori/Kashta and Takelot III/Shabaka (Agamemnon) by Amenhirkhepeshef/Osorkon III (Atreus/Peistratos). (Europa is also said to have had an affair with Thyestes, which Atreus tried to overlook.)
If Clytaemnestra and Anticleia were one and the same, then the famous “thief/grabber” Auto-lycus (father of Anticleia) is the same as Aegisthous (as the father of Clytaemnestra), or Tyndareus (if he was the actual father).
Khaemwaset may have had yet another epithet, Thyestes (“pestle”, a stone used to pound or grind), which is synonymous with Tyndareus (“pounder”). Thyestes is the bitter rival of Atreus (Amen-hirkhepeshef/Osorkon III) and is explicitly called the father of Aegisthos. There is however a story related by Robert Graves in which Tyndareus exacts an oath from Thyestes. Perhaps there is some confusion with this memory, or it is comparable to the Biblical account of King Ahaz (Takelot III) going up to meet with Tiglath-pileser, that is, his own self!
It was earlier suggested that Achilles (Siptah) had also been a son of Ramses the Great (the one continually renewing/repeating himself) in his old age. The birth of Odysseus (Amenhotep/Tanuatamon) was apparently along the same lines.
In the previous post it was proposed that Piye/Sargon, who shared the Joseph typecasting with his father Hori/Kashta, sired at least one heir in his own old age. Nebuchadrezzar especially seems to have relished the “Moses son of Joseph” role, but perhaps Assurbanipal could have also claimed it by virtue of his birth. Piye had himself tried to collect every major divine role, including Moses. He was frustrated to some extent in that quest. He had first designated Taharqa as Moses for his part in killing Shabaka. (See Part III of the on-line book.) When Taharqa gained sufficient authority, he pinned the role of Moses onto Shebitku/Ramses III, who resisted taking on the stigma. Only after the death of Shebitku did Assurbanipal and Nebuchadrezzar collaborate to fulfill the Moses type by destroying Israel and Egypt and leading away captives to Assyrian and Babylon.
We have already seen that Chart 26 needs to be overhauled to show that the God's Wife Shepenwepet (I) was one and the same as Queen/Pharaoh Twosret. The chart also shows no children of Shepenwepet II (Penelope), but now we understand that she was the mother of Telemachus (Nes-Ptah II/Cyrus II), "Monstrous Pan", and Polioporthis (Assurbanipal/Smirdis and/or Nebuchadrezzar/Bardiya).
The chart also equates Qalhata to the God’s Wife Amenirdis (I), however Amenirdis might rather correspond to the young Greek princess Hermione, who was paired with Orestes after the murder of Agamemnon by Aigisthos and Clytaemnestra. Clytaemnestra and Aigisthos are believed to have had a son Elatus, who was later killed by Orestes. Orestes (Esarhaddon?) is thought to have been the father of his successor Tisamenes (Assurbanipal or Shamash-shuma-ukin?) by Hermione. Elatus may correspond to or be confused with Latinus a son of Calypso/Circe (Nitocris/Amenirdis II).
At the right-bottom corner of Chart 26, there is a catch-all group of names. These are important princes, but I did not know exactly where they should fit into the family tree. From Greek myth, Odysseus/Tanuatamon is known to have had at least one other wife besides Penelope/Shepenwepet II, and other children. However, the prince variously named as Paser (Mayor of Thebes in the reign of Taharqa/Ramses IX), Pasenhor, Pishanhuru, or Ankh-hor probably corresponds to a rival of Odysseus called Pisander/Peisander (a.k.a. Piss Ant for short, sorry couldn’t resist that one!). As such, he likely was not one of the true sons of Odysseus.
- Penelope and Calypso
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