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Myth and History
Posted By: Charles Pope In Response To: Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale? (Helge Harbard)
Date: Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 5:14 p.m.
The ancients, and the ancient royal family in particular, believed that relationships and events in the time of the gods were destined to repeat in unending variations on that "primal scene". For example the cataclysm and exodus of the family of the gods was re-enacted at the end of every major dynasty. With each repetition new elements were introduced, and each occurrence was expected to assimilate previous occurrences.
Consistent with this, the telling of "the Exodus" in the Bible is a composite of more than one exodus. It therefore takes on the quality of a myth rather than that of a unique event, for to the ancients only the time of the gods was truly unique. Everything that came after was just a poor, tragic and unavoidable imitation.
By the Persian Period the complexity of the elaborated myth cycle was so great that it began to collapse under its own weight. The great intricacy of it allowed for any number of possible interpretations and outcomes. It became difficult if not impossible for the royal family to gain consensus as to how accumulated tradition should best be fulfilled. The institutionalization of murder was also extremely disruptive and led to rampant paranoia.
- A bit far out?
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Alexander MUSTER, amateur-Egyptologist(18thDyn.) -- Thursday, 9 December 2004, at 6:34 a.m.- Elysium Fields
Erol Asya -- Tuesday, 14 December 2004, at 11:04 p.m.- Re: where were theElysium Fields:Turkey or Arabia?
Alexander Muster, amateur-Egyptologist(18thDyn.) -- Saturday, 18 December 2004, at 7:49 a.m. - Re: Elysian Fields
Erol Asya -- Sunday, 19 December 2004, at 6:39 p.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
Solomon -- Monday, 20 December 2004, at 2:38 p.m.- Re: Elysian Fields
Erol Asya -- Tuesday, 21 December 2004, at 9:16 p.m.- Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in ADEN
Alexander muster, amateur-Egyptologist (18thDyn on -- Thursday, 13 January 2005, at 3:32 a.m.- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
Erol Asya -- Friday, 14 January 2005, at 8:28 a.m.- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
A.M. -- Monday, 17 January 2005, at 9:54 a.m.- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
solomon -- Monday, 17 January 2005, at 2:41 p.m.- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
A.M. -- Monday, 17 January 2005, at 2:54 p.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
solomon -- Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 4:39 p.m.
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- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
- Re: Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in A
- Elysian Fields in Turkey, BUT, originally in ADEN
- Re: Elysian Fields
Alexander muster, amateur-Egyptologist (18thDyn on -- Thursday, 13 January 2005, at 3:05 a.m.
- Re: Elysian Fields
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- Re: where were theElysium Fields:Turkey or Arabia?
- Elysium Fields
- Re: Ancient East: East is" Eden?"
- Re: Ancient East
- Re: Ancient East called:"Kedem ; Qedem or:Kadesh??
Alexander MUSTER, amateur-Egyptologist(18thDyn.) -- Thursday, 9 December 2004, at 6:41 a.m.
- Re: Ancient East
- Re: Ancient East
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Helge Harbard -- Saturday, 6 November 2004, at 9:28 a.m.- Re: East of Eden
Alexander Muster(amateur-Egyptologist 18th Dyn.) -- Sunday, 7 November 2004, at 8:29 a.m. - Re: East of Eden
Alexander Muster(amateur-Egyptologist 18th Dyn.) -- Sunday, 7 November 2004, at 8:33 a.m.- Grizzly Bear(d)
Helge Harbard -- Sunday, 7 November 2004, at 9:54 a.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Alexander Muster, amateur-Egyptologist (18th-Dyn.o -- Wednesday, 10 November 2004, at 11:46 a.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Helge Harbard -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 5:29 a.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
ALEXANDER MUSTER -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 7:22 a.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Helge Harbard -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 9:43 a.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Muster, Alexander, amateur-Egyptologist(18th-Dyn.) -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 11:04 a.m.
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
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Solomon -- Friday, 12 November 2004, at 12:16 p.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Muster, Alexander, amateur-Egyptologist(18th-Dyn.) -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 10:53 a.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
Solomon -- Wednesday, 17 November 2004, at 3:58 p.m.- Re: Grizzly Bear:A:"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
Muster, Alexander, amateur-Egyptologist(18th-Dyn.) -- Friday, 19 November 2004, at 8:16 a.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
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Alexander Muster, amateur-egyptologist (18th-Dyn.) -- Tuesday, 30 November 2004, at 12:16 p.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
solomon -- Sunday, 5 December 2004, at 6:12 a.m.- Re: Old Sion is Atlantis a"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
Alexander Muster, amateur-egyptologist (18th-Dyn.) -- Wednesday, 8 December 2004, at 12:53 p.m.
- Re: Old Sion is Atlantis a"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
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- Re: Grizzly Bear:A:"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
Alexander Muster, amateur-egyptologist (18th-Dyn.) -- Wednesday, 8 December 2004, at 9:57 a.m.
- Re: Old Sion is Atlantis a"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
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- Re: Who will be the "New" Messiah/Tzaddik?
Alexander Muster, amateur-egyptologist (18th-Dyn.) -- Wednesday, 8 December 2004, at 9:51 a.m.
- Re: Grizzly Bear:A:"Messaiah"="Mess-maker"!
- (Message Deleted by Poster)
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
Alexander Muster, amateur-Egyptologist(18thDyn.) -- Saturday, 18 December 2004, at 8:03 a.m.
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
- Re: Grizzly Bear(d)
- Grizzly Bear(d)
- Re: East of Eden
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Helge Harbard -- Monday, 10 January 2005, at 3:40 a.m.- Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale?
Charles Pope -- Sunday, 16 January 2005, at 8:33 a.m.- Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale?
Helge Harbard -- Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 4:34 a.m.- Myth and History
Charles Pope -- Tuesday, 18 January 2005, at 5:14 p.m.- Re: Myth and History
Helge Harbard -- Thursday, 20 January 2005, at 4:15 a.m.- "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
Charles Pope -- Thursday, 20 January 2005, at 6:33 p.m.- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
Helge Harbard -- Saturday, 22 January 2005, at 1:09 p.m.- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
Charles Pope -- Saturday, 22 January 2005, at 6:58 p.m.- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
Helge Harbard -- Sunday, 23 January 2005, at 2:20 a.m.
- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
- Re: "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
- "May the Circle Go Unbroken, Bye and Bye ..."
- Re: Myth and History
- Myth and History
- Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale?
- Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale?
A.M. -- Monday, 17 January 2005, at 12:49 p.m.- Isaac-David & Shiloh-Solomon
Charles Pope -- Wednesday, 19 January 2005, at 9:28 a.m.- (Message Deleted by Poster)
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Charles Pope -- Thursday, 20 January 2005, at 6:11 p.m.
- Shiloh and Solomon
- Horus the Elder & Horus the Younger
Charles Pope -- Monday, 14 February 2005, at 4:07 p.m.
- (Message Deleted by Poster)
- Isaac-David & Shiloh-Solomon
- Re: World History and/or Fairy Tale?
- World History and/or Fairy Tale?
- Will the Real David Please Stand Up
- Once Upon A Time...
- Re: Fiction versus Reality: Was David King Totmes-
- Fiction versus Reality
- Re: East of Eden
- Re: East of Eden
- Re: East of Eden
- Re: East of Eden
- Re: East of Eden
- East of Eden
- Re: Ancient East
- Ancient East
- Re: Ice Age "Atlantis"?
- Re: Ice Age "Atlantis"?
- Ice Age "Atlantis"?
- Snow Birds
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