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Hold on, Espere un momento
Posted By: Charles Pope In Response To: Sethi I was Amenophis (Oscar Calle)
Date: Wednesday, 11 December 2002, at 4:08 p.m.
El-'Scar and El-REB, los hombres hambre,
Just a few comments of clarification before we continue:
1) Seti-Merenptah is generally considered to be Seti II, not Seti I. Egytologists now suspect that the mummy identified as Seti II was mislabeled in antiquity, and probably belongs to an unidentified prince of the early 18th Dynasty rather than to Seti I of the late 19th Dynasty. I tend to agree, however still think that the inscriptions of Seti-Merenptah are those of Seti II, the son (and beleaguered successor) of Merenptah. If you have information to the contrary, please let me know.
2) Amenophis is clearly the Greek form of Amenhotep. This name is applied to both Amenhotep III (and I think also to Amenhotep IV/Akhenaten) in Manetho's version of the Exodus. Amen-ophat is a very interesting variation of Amenophis. In Part II of my book, it is shown that Akhenaten was also sometimes called Shaphat ("Judge"). This is a highly appropriate nickname for Akhenaten/Moses, who was the "incarnation" of Re, the sun god and jostling judge of Egypt (as well as of Israelites in Exodus). There was also one other prominent king of this period whose name corresponds even more closely to Amenophat. This was Iuput, King of Upper Egypt, High Priest of Amun), and a son of Sheshonq I (future pharaoh Aye). In the Bible Iu-put (Amen/Jeho-Put) is called Jehoshaphat, because of his initiative to establish local judges over the people. Iuput conspired (successfully) to murder Sheshonq II and was in turn killed by Akhenaten and Tiye.
2) I suggested in a previous post that Queen Tiye could have been the mother of Ramses I (not Ramses II). This seems unlikely, but it is at least a possibility. However, it can be said with complete confidence (you'll have to take my word on this for the moment) that Ramses I was first a pharaoh of the Libyan throne and was called Takelot II. Between two and three years after gaining that status he named his son Seti (future pharaoh Seti I) as his "Libyan" co-regent. At that time, Seti assumed the Libyan throne name of Sheshonq III.
el-Juez
- The mummy of Ramses I
Oscar Calle -- Tuesday, 5 November 2002, at 5:45 a.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
el-REB -- Tuesday, 5 November 2002, at 9:16 p.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
Oscar Calle -- Wednesday, 6 November 2002, at 7:15 a.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
el-REB -- Wednesday, 6 November 2002, at 5:45 p.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
el-REB -- Wednesday, 6 November 2002, at 9:17 p.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
el-REB -- Thursday, 7 November 2002, at 7:37 p.m.- Ancient Texts from Egypt
Oscar Calle -- Thursday, 7 November 2002, at 11:25 p.m.- Something is still Wrong?
EL-REB -- Monday, 9 December 2002, at 9:10 p.m.- Sethi I was Amenophis
Oscar Calle -- Monday, 9 December 2002, at 11:45 p.m.- Re: Sethi I was Amenophis
EL-REB -- Tuesday, 10 December 2002, at 9:56 p.m. - Hold on, Espere un momento
Charles Pope -- Wednesday, 11 December 2002, at 4:08 p.m.- Re: Hold on,Sesostris?
EL-REB -- Wednesday, 11 December 2002, at 8:52 p.m. - Re: Hold on, Espere un momento
Oscar Calle -- Thursday, 12 December 2002, at 1:27 a.m.- Seti, Sesostris and Such
Charles Pope -- Thursday, 12 December 2002, at 9:31 a.m. - Re:Em-Per-Ra
EL-REB -- Thursday, 12 December 2002, at 6:30 p.m.- The Modesty of Ramses the Great
Charles Pope -- Thursday, 12 December 2002, at 8:23 p.m.- Re: The Modesty of Charles the Great
EL-REB -- Thursday, 12 December 2002, at 8:43 p.m.
- Re: The Modesty of Charles the Great
- The Modesty of Ramses the Great
- Seti, Sesostris and Such
- Re: Hold on,Sesostris?
- El-Calle
EL-REB -- Wednesday, 11 December 2002, at 7:51 p.m. - Re: Sethi I was Amenophis, who was Rameses?
Ronald L. Hughes -- Friday, 10 January 2003, at 9:05 p.m.- Manetho’s Eighteenth Dynasty
Oscar Calle -- Sunday, 12 January 2003, at 3:55 a.m.
- Manetho’s Eighteenth Dynasty
- Re: Sethi I was Amenophis
- Sethi I was Amenophis
- Something is still Wrong?
- Ancient Texts from Egypt
- Amenhotep son of Hapu
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 7:16 p.m.- Re:Missing Left Eye
el-REB -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 8:27 p.m. - Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
EL-REB -- Tuesday, 12 November 2002, at 5:42 p.m.- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
Charles Pope -- Tuesday, 12 November 2002, at 8:20 p.m.- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
EL-REB -- Tuesday, 12 November 2002, at 9:12 p.m.- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
lluisa -- Tuesday, 11 February 2003, at 1:12 a.m.- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
Charles Pope -- Friday, 14 February 2003, at 10:00 p.m.
- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
- Re: Amenhotep son of Hapu
- Re:Missing Left Eye
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
Ronald L. Hughes -- Monday, 6 January 2003, at 3:15 p.m.- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
lluisa -- Saturday, 15 February 2003, at 1:35 a.m.
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
- Re: Set and Seth
Ronald L. Hughes -- Monday, 6 January 2003, at 3:11 p.m.- Re: Set and Seth
Oscar Calle -- Tuesday, 7 January 2003, at 3:45 a.m.- Re: Set and Seth
Ronald L. Hughes -- Sunday, 12 January 2003, at 12:56 p.m.
- Re: Set and Seth
- Re: Set and Seth
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
- Niagara Falls Daredevil Museum and Ramses I
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 4:05 p.m. - Another Article about the Niagara Museum Mummy
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 4:09 p.m. - Third Article
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 4:14 p.m.- Fourth Article
Charles Pope -- Friday, 28 February 2003, at 10:29 a.m.- Archaeology Magazine Article
Charles Pope -- Friday, 7 March 2003, at 6:30 p.m.
- Archaeology Magazine Article
- Fourth Article
- Analysis of Articles
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 4:48 p.m.- Re: Analysis of Articles
el-REB -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 6:06 p.m.
- Re: Analysis of Articles
- Lineage of Ramses I and Horemheb
Charles Pope -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 7:02 p.m.- Re: Lineage of Ramses I and Horemheb
el-REB -- Friday, 8 November 2002, at 7:52 p.m. - Re: Lineage of Ramses I and Horemheb
Oscar Calle -- Saturday, 9 November 2002, at 7:13 a.m.- 19th Dynasty Emphasis on Seth & Amen-Ra
Charles Pope -- Sunday, 10 November 2002, at 11:37 a.m. - "The Mother of All Fathers?"
Charles Pope -- Sunday, 10 November 2002, at 11:39 a.m.- "Bearer of the Name"
EL-REB -- Monday, 11 November 2002, at 6:35 p.m. - Amenhotep III's officials
Oscar Calle -- Saturday, 16 November 2002, at 6:07 a.m.- Three Men, or One with Three Wives?
Charles Pope -- Sunday, 17 November 2002, at 12:39 p.m. - Name Variants in the Tomb of Ramose
Charles Pope -- Wednesday, 20 November 2002, at 8:53 a.m.
- Three Men, or One with Three Wives?
- "Bearer of the Name"
- 19th Dynasty Emphasis on Seth & Amen-Ra
- Re: Lineage of Ramses I and Horemheb
James Forst -- Thursday, 5 February 2004, at 8:57 p.m.
- Re: Lineage of Ramses I and Horemheb
- Ramses I is back home
Oscar Calle -- Thursday, 30 October 2003, at 3:35 a.m. - Ramses Returns to Luxor?
Charles Pope -- Saturday, 9 December 2006, at 8:57 a.m.- "I once was lost,, but now I'm found, etc."
Ronald L. Hughes -- Thursday, 14 December 2006, at 2:44 p.m.- ... Was Blind But Now I See!
Charles Pope -- Thursday, 14 December 2006, at 5:32 p.m.
- ... Was Blind But Now I See!
- "I once was lost,, but now I'm found, etc."
- Re: The mummy of Ramses I
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