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Bears or Behrs?
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In keeping with the meaning of Berenice, maybe we might consider this?

"The name Behr is listed in the New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsdon C. Smith. It is listed as being "one who lives at the sign of the bear". The same volume lists the names of Behrens, Berendt, Behrends, Behrend, Behrent, and Behren as 'Dweller at the sign of the bear; descendent of Behren'.

It is commonly believed that many men acquired their surnames from the signs in front of their houses or inns. The bear was a popular tavern sign in Germany and the family names of Baer, Bartz, Behnke, Behr, Behrens and Benz can be found. Names of wild animals may be indicative of occupation, such as Bear for the bearwarsd or keeper of the performing bears."

The above from; http://web.qx.net/toddvb/vbmeaning.html

Thus, we might be back to signs of the Zodiac? Thus "the gentle bear?" Or even "the Bear of Nice (France)?", or considering previous relationships could it mean "Victory (Nike) of the Bear?" Or could it mean both?

From Wikipedia;

"Nice (Nicaea) was founded probably around 350 BC by the Greeks of Massilia (Marseille) and received the name of Νικαία ("Nikaia") in honor of a victory over the neighbouring Ligurians (Nike being the Greek goddess of victory). It soon became one of the busiest trading stations on the Ligurian coast; but as a city it had an important rival in the Roman town of Cemenelum, which continued to exist as a separate city till the time of the Lombard invasions, and has left its ruins at Cimiez, which is now a quarter of Nice.

In the 7th century Nice joined the Genoese League formed by the towns of Liguria. In 729 it repulsed the Saracens; but in 859 and 880 they pillaged and burned it, and for the most of the 10th century remained masters of the surrounding country."

So, regarding the above one can see that Nice, France, was apparently, under the control of Saracen's, which we today consider as Moslems, for 100 years or so!

And, also from Wikipedia;

"Nicaea or Nikaia (Greek: Νικαία or Νίκαια) may be:

The ancient name of several places, including:
İznik, Turkey, the site of the First and Second Councils of Nicaea, the Nicene Creed, and the capital city of the Empire of Nicaea (i.e. interim capital city of the Byzantine Empire between 1204 and 1261, following the Fourth Crusade in 1204, until the recapture of Constantinople by the Byzantines in 1261)
Nice, France
Nicae, Thrace, where emperor Valens died
Nicaea (Punjab), in the Punjab, built by Alexander the Great
Nicaea (Locris), a fortress city of the Locri Epicnemidii
Castra (Illyria)
Nicaea of Macedonia, daughter of Antipater"

Note the ancient "Nicaea (Nice)" is reported to have existed in Asia Minor! And note another famous "Antipater!", and his daughter?

So, when some history mentions Nicaea or Nice, just how can one be sure just which city was meant?

Thus, again from Wikipedia;

"The place is said to have been colonized by Boeotians, and to have originally borne the name of Ancore (Steph. B. s. v.) or Helicore (Geogr. Min. p. 40, ed. Hudson); but it was subsequently destroyed by the Mysians. A few years after the death of Alexander the Great, Macedonian king Antigonus who had taken control of much of Asia Minor upon the death of Alexander (under whom he served as a general) probably after his victory over Eumenes, in 316 BC, rebuilt the town, and called it, after himself, Antigoneia (Greek: Αντιγόνεια). (Steph. B. l. c.; Eustath. ad Horn. II. ii. 863) Several other of Alexander's generals (known together as the Diadochi) later conspired to remove Antigonus, and after defeating him the area was given to Thessalian general Lysimachus (Lysimakhos) (circa 355 BC-281 BC) in 301 BC as his share of the lands. He renamed it Nicaea (Greek: Νίκαια, also transliterated as Nikaia or Nica; see also List of traditional Greek place names), in tribute to his wife Nicaea, a daughter of Antipater. (Steph. B., Eustath., Strab., ll. cc.) According to another account (Memnon, ap. Phot. Cod. 224. p. 233, ed. Bekker), Nicaea was founded by men from Nicaea near Thermopylae, who had served in the army of Alexander the Great. The town was built with great regularity, in the form of a square, measuring 16 stadia in circumference; it had four gates, and all its streets intersected one another at right angles, so that from a monument in the centre all the four gates could be seen. (Strabo xii. pp. 565 et seq.) This monument stood in the gymnasium, which was destroyed by fire, but was restored with increased magnificence by the younger Pliny (Epist. x. 48), when he was governor of Bithynia."

Note above, of course, another famous "anti", IE Antigonus! And, "Nice, Nike, Nicaea?" the "daughter of Antigonus!

Regards,

Ron

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