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In my last post, I mentioned that Trajan had no revealed or even supposed meaning, at least by Roman historical experts. Since I mentioned that the word is obviously a compound word consisting of TRA and JAN, I mentioned the possibility that "jan" might be translated as Janus. The following site has some very interesting looks at Janus.

http://www.plotinus.com/janus.htm

As does this one.

http://www.answers.com/topic/janus

It is interesting that the most general definition of "Janus" is "doorkeeper" or "gatekeeper!", or even "doorman!"

One site says about Janus; "The first hour of the day, the first day of the month, the first month of the year (which bears his name) were sacred to him." Thus New Year's day, at the stroke of midnight is cause to celebrate New Beginnings or Expectations, the New Year, etc.

But what if we just look at the possible derivation of "Jan" in "jan-us?" Thus it does not take much to conclude that "Jan", is nothing more than a variant of Jon! Yes, it is a Scandinavian / Germanic variant, but the same name none the less. In reality then Jan = Jon = John!

And, since we already know that "i" can easily be substituted for "j", as we have seen in "Julius" and "Iulius", etc., we can also contend that "Ian", is but another variant of the same word? And, taking this train of thought to its end, we can also state with some conviciton, that Jean = Jon = Ian = Ion = John, etc., as well as further extend this by stating that "Juan" is also a correct variant! We might also conclude that "us", as in the Latin name "Jan-us" might well only signify that the word is the "male" version and that "Jana", etc.

From http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Jan we find this;

The boy's and girl's name Jan \jan\ is pronounced yahn, jan. It is of Danish and Slavic origin. Variant of John (Hebrew) "the Lord is gracious". See also Janson. Painters Jan Van Eyck, Jan Vermeer.

Jan has 4 variant forms: Hans, Janek, Jano and Janos.

For more information, see also the related name Yann.

Baby names that sound like Jan are Ean, Ian, Jean, Juan, Jon and Jian." And as well;

"The boy's and girl's name Yann \ya-nn\ is of French origin. Variant of John (Hebrew) "the Lord is gracious". Comparable to the Dutch Jan. Tennis player Yannick Noah.

Yann has 2 variant forms: Yannic and Yannick.

Baby names that sound like Yann are Eann, Yanno and Yanni." And further search of related names reveals this;

"The boy's name Ian \E nounced Ean, EYE-an. It is of Scottish origin. Variant of John (Hebrew) "God is gracious". Iain is the normal Scottish Gaelic spelling. Author Ian Fleming; actor Ian McKellen.

Ian has 6 variant forms: Ean, Eann, Eion, Eon, Iain and Ion.

For more information, see also related names Davian, Eoin and Evian.

Baby names that sound like Ian are Iwan and Jan." And these variants;

"The boy's name Davian \d(a)-vian\. Modern combined name of David and Ian, or David and Dorian.

Davian has 7 variant forms: Daivian, Daivyan, Davien, Davion, Davyan, Davyen and Davyon.

Baby names that sound like Davian are Davin, Davon, Davyn, Daven, Daveon, Davonn, Devin, Devinn, Devion, Devan, Tavin and Tavion."

We can go further and connect them all to Johann, and its variants!

Further evoking some wonder is the possible connection to Dorian?;

"The boy's and girl's name Dorian \d(o)-rian\ is pronounced DOR-ee-en. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "descendant of Dorus; from Doris". Place name: Doris is an area in Greece. Literary: in Oscar Wilde's novel "The Picture of Dorian Gray", Dorian was granted the wish that he would retain perpetual youth and beauty. A portrait of him changed to show the ravages of time and eventually caused his death.

Dorian has 6 variant forms: Dore, Dorien, Dorion, Dorrian, Dorrien and Dorryen.

For more information, see also related names Darrien, Davian, Torin, Doran and Isidore.

Baby names that sound like Dorian are Darian and Dorran." One might well assume that "Dor+Ian", would be a combined form of "Dor" and "Ian" with "Ian" equaling "John". etc.

And even further searching leads us to this;

"The boy's name Darius \d(a)-rius\ is pronounced da-RYE-us, DARE-ee-us. It is of medo-persian and Greek origin, and its meaning is "he possesses; rich, kingly". Possibly a royal title, like Caesar. Historical: Darius the Mede (fifth century BC) assumed the kingship of Babylon after its conquest by Cyrus. He was a renowned king also known as Darius the Great. This name is popular with African-Americans.

Darius has 7 variant forms: Darias, Dariess, Dario, Darious, Darrius, Derrius and Derry.

For more information, see also related names Darian, Darion and Jarius.

Baby names that sound like Darius are Darcy, Darcio, Darsy, Darsey, Darcey, Taurus, Terrius, Tyrus and Tris."

Darius seems very close to Doris! Is there any connection?

The "Think Baby Names" site has this to say about "Doris!"

"No results found for the name "doris". You may want to try the similar-sounding names Tris, Darius, Darias, Dorsie, Terris and Tyrus. Other similar names are Boris and Moris." (note "Tyrus" and its close looking rival "Cyrus!" as well as think of "Tyre", and the "Tyranian Sea?")

This seems strange to me. Doris is or was a very popular name. DOR, itself, leads one to Biblical connections such as "Tell Dor", etc. So, can we find the meaning of Doris?

From eLook.org comes this; "[noun] (Greek mythology) wife of Nereus and mother of the Nereids
Synonyms: Doris"

One definition of Doris is'

"Doris, small mountainous district, central Greece, inland between the Gulf of Corinth and the Malian Gulf. It was the traditional homeland of the Dorians, who may, in fact, have paused there during their invasion of Greece. Sparta gave Doris military aid during the 5th cent. B.C."

Of course, speculation about the Dorians could fill fifty books!

Possibly you might want to read about them at;

http://www.answers.com/topic/doris-greece

Where, among other things,you will find this;

"The Dorians were supposed to have derived their name from Dorus, the son of Hellen. According to one tradition, Dorus settled at once in the country subsequently known as Doris (Strab. viii. p. 383; Conon, c. 27); but other traditions represent them as more widely spread in earlier times. Herodotus relates (i. 56) that in the time of king Deucalion they inhabited the district Phthiotis; that in the time of Dorus, the son of Hellen, they inhabited the country called Histiaeotis at the foot of Ossa and Olympus; that, expelled from Histiaeotis by the Cadmeians, they dwelt on Mount Pindus, and were called the Macedonian nation; and that from thence they migrated to Dryopis; and having passed from Dryopis into the Peloponnesus, were called the Doric race. For this statement Herodotus could have had no other authority than tradition, and there is therefore no reason for accepting it as an historical relation of facts, as many modern scholars have done. In Apollodorus (i. 7. 3) Dorus is represented as occupying the country over against Peloponnesus on the opposite side of the Corinthian gulf, and calling the inhabitants after himself Dorians. By this description is evidently meant the whole country along the northern shore of the Corinthian gulf, comprising Aetolia, Phocis, and the land of the Ozolian Locrians. This statement, according to Smith, is at least more suitable to the facts attested by historical evidence than the legends given in Herodotus. It is impossible to believe that the inhabitants of such an insignificant district as Doris Proper conquered the greater part of Peloponnesus; and the common tale that the Dorians crossed over from Naupactus to the conquest is in accordance with the legend of their being the inhabitants of the northern shore of the gulf."

The word is also spelled "Dor-us!" Think "Jan-us", "Tit=us", and all of the other Latin words ending with "us!"

And from the same site;

"In the invasion of Xerxes, Doris submitted to the Persians, and consequently its towns were spared. (Herod. viii. 31.) Subsequently, as we have already seen, they were assisted by the Lacedaemonians, when attacked by the more powerful Phocians and neighbouring tribes. (Thuc. i. 107, iii. 92.) Their towns suffered much in the Phocian, Aetolian, and Macedonian wars, so that it was a wonder to Strabo that any trace of them was left in the Roman times. (Strab. ix. p. 427.) The towns continued to be mentioned by Pliny (iv. 7. s. 13; comp. Mller Dorians, book i. c. 2; Leake, Northern Greece, vol. ii. p. 90, seq.)."

Thus around the time of Darius, no traces of the Dorians or Dor-us was "left in Roman Times!"

We also know that Xerxes was the son of Darius I (the great)and his mother was the daughter of Cyrus the Great! For more on Darius you might read; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_I_of_Persia

But what if we spell it Dorris?

From http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/doch-an-dorris

"doch-an-dorris
One entry found for doch-an-dorris.

Main Entry: doch-an-dorris
Variant(s): or doch-an-doris /"d[k]-&n-'dor-&s/
Function: noun

Etymology: Scottish Gaelic deoch an doruis & Irish deoch an dorais, literally, drink of the door"

Now we have already established that Janus (Jannus? Johannus?) was known as the "door-keeper" or "guardian of the door!", and above we see the word "doruis" or "dorais" is the equivalent to our English word "door!" Were the Dorians "keepers of the Door?"

From http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/FRMSTRHEB18.htm comes;

"1817
deleth
deh'-leth
from 'dalah' (1802); something swinging, i.e. the valve of a door:--door (two-leaved), gate, leaf, lid. (In Psa. 141:3, dal, irreg.)."

Thus "dalah" could be a "swinging door", a door opening in both directions! Much like the "doorway to heaven or hell!"

And from the same site;

"1867
Dar`yavesh
daw-reh-yaw-vaysh'
of Persian origin; Darejavesh, a title (rather than name) of several Persian kings:--Darius.

1868
Daryavesh
daw-reh-yaw-vaysh'
(Aramaic) corresponding to 'Dar`yavesh' (1867):--Darius."

And;

"1754
duwr
dure
from 'duwr' (1752); a circle, ball or pile:--ball, turn, round about.

1755
dowr
dore
or (shortened) dor {dore}; from 'duwr' (1752); properly, a revolution of time, i.e. an age or generation; also a dwelling:--age, X evermore, generation, (n-)ever, posterity.

1756
Dowr
dore
or (by permutation) Dorr (Josh. 17:11; ''ab' (1) Kings 4:11) {dore}; from 'dowr' (1755); dwelling; Dor, a place in Palestine:--Dor.

1757
Duwra'
doo-raw'
(Aramaic) probably from 'duwr' (1753); circle or dwelling; Dura, a place in Babylonia:--Dura."

And, maybe we need to consider Tell Dor? From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dor

"It is identified with D-jr of Egyptian sources, Biblical Dor, and with Dor/Dora" (Dorus?) "of Greek and Roman sources. The documented history of the site begins in the Late Bronze Age (though the town itself was founded in the Middle Bronze Age, c. 2000 BCE), and ends in the Crusader period. The port dominated the fortunes of the town throughout its 3000-odd year history. Dor was successively ruled by Canaanites, Sea Peoples, Israelites, Phoenicians, Persians, Assyrians, Greeks, and Romans. Its primary role in all these diverse cultures was that of a commercial entrepot and a gateway between East and West.

Written Sources

Dor (Hebrew: דוֹר, meaning "dwelling"), known as Dora to the Greeks and Romans, was an ancient royal city of the Canaanites, (Joshua 12:23) whose ruler was an ally of Jabin king of Hazor against Joshua, (Joshua 11:1,2). In the 1100s the town appears to have been taken by the Tjekker, and was ruled by them at least as late as the early 1000s BCE.

It appears to have been within the territory of the tribe of Asher, though allotted to Manasseh, (Joshua 17:11; Judges 1:27). It was one of Solomon's commissariat districts (Judges 1:27; 1 Kings 4:11). It has been placed in the ninth mile from Caesarea, on the way to Ptolemais. Just at the point indicated is the small village of Tantura, probably an Arab corruption of Dora.

The city was known as Dor even before the Greeks arrived or had contact with the peoples in Israel. When the Greeks came to the city and learned its name to be Dor, they ascribed it the identity Dora, the Hellenization of the name. The "a" is merely the noun ending to the word. The God/cult of Dor, where the term Doric, as in the column, comes from, was ascribed to the city. Hence, in Hebrew, Dor, in Greek/Latin, Dora."

Thus Dor was a "port" city, a place where goods and people came in and out! Like a "doorway" that "swings both ways!" And, every great city had its city gates!

Again, can we make any connection of Doris with Darius?

"The girl's name Doris \d(o)-ris\ is pronounced DOR-iss. It is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "from Doris; gift". Place name: an area in Greece. Feminine form of Dorian. Mythology: a daughter of the sea god Oceanus. Actress Doris Day; writer Doris Lessing.

Doris has 16 variant forms: Doree, Dori, Doria, Dorian, Dorice, Dorie, Dorisa, Dorita, Dorri, Dorrie, Dorris, Dorry, Dorrys, Dory, Dorys and Doryse."

Perhaps Darius has some relationship to Dares? See; http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dares

Obviously Darius did "dare" to invade Greece! He took "daring" chances, and made "daring" movements of his troops, etc.

Even look at; http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Daric

"Daric (dărĭk)
n. 1. (Antiq.) A gold coin of ancient Persia, weighing usually a little more than 128 grains, and bearing on one side the figure of an archer.
2. Any very pure gold coin."

Was there any historical figure called "Dares?"

From Wikipedia;

Dares Phrygius

Dares Phrygius, according to Homer (Iliad, v. 9), was a Trojan priest of Hephaestus. He was supposed to have been the author of an account of the destruction of Troy, and to have lived before Homer (Aelian., Var. Hisi. Xl. 2). A work in Latin, purporting to be a translation of this, and entitled Daretis Phrygii de excidio Trojae historia, was much read in the Middle Ages, and was then ascribed to Cornelius Nepos, who is made to dedicate it to Sallust; but the language is extremely corrupt, and the work belongs to a period much later than the time of Nepos (probably the 5th century A.D.).

It is doubtful whether the existing work is an abridgment of a larger Latin work or an adaptation of a Greek original. Together with the similar work of Dictys Cretensis (with which it is generally printed), the De excidio forms the chief source for the numerous medieval accounts of the Trojan legend.
References
O. S. von Fleschenberg, Daresstudie, i, 1908."

Of course it is written that the "gates of Troy" were removed to allow the Trojan Horse entry into the city! Was it a gate that swung both ways? Was it made of bronze,and thus forged by Hephaestus? Note, Dares was said to be a "priest of Hephaestus!"

And, finally, are any famous gates dedicated to or known to have been connected to Darius?

Not surprisingly the answer is yes!

See; http://www.livius.org/a/iran/persepolis/gate/gateofallnations.html

Since Hadrian or "Hadr-ian", and "Tra-jan" have been questioned to be the same person by some scholars, it is obvious that the "ian" in Hadr-ian, might well also be a version of "jan" as mentioned above.

Are there any conclusions that can be drawn from the above?

Regards,

Aga VIII

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