Cleo-patra and patrician?
In Response To: Uppity Oddities Unite! ()

Since you have to leave the end of the Egyptian dynasties with Cleopatra, maybe we might discuss the name itself?

Cleo, in some meanings is said to be another way of saying "patrician!" And Wikipedia has this to say;

"Patricians were originally the elite caste in ancient Rome. In the time of the late Roman Empire, the term patrician was a specific title given to a high court official.

The Latin word for "patrician" is patricius (plural patricii). This comes from patrēs, the plural of pater ("father"), which term was applied to the original members of the Roman Senate. The word comes down in English as "patrician" from the Middle English patricion, from the Old French patricien."

So if we follow the word meaning here, we get a word derived from "pater" or "father", and even then we are not through with it since "pater", is also related to "Patra", and thus to "Peter", and thus to "the Rock!"

Wiki goes on to say;

"The distinction between patricians and plebeians (defined negatively as non-patricians) in ancient Rome is not wholly clear and no particular definition is offered by the ancient sources. Patricians are often portrayed as the rich and powerful families who managed to secure power over the less fortunate plebeian families, though some historians argue that this is too simplistic a view. Regardless of the initial division between the two groups, by the late Republic the lines had become blurred, with many plebeian families becoming rich and powerful while some patrician families fell into poverty and obscurity.

The historian Richard E. Mitchell makes the argument that patrician families were in fact initially those who held priesthoods, and that the ancient Senate, comprised of patricians, was a religious advisory body. The Senate, acting as a council of religious elders, had political power because it was necessary to have their assent on new laws. The priestly class had to give their auctoritas to measures, and confirm that they were in keeping with the mos maiorum."

Here Mitchel asserts that paticians held "presthoods" and that the ancient Roman senate was comprised of patrician!

Wiki goes on to say;

"In the early days of the Roman Republic, patricians formed a hereditary ruling group within the state. The patricians claimed to be able to trace their family to the original populace of Rome before the reign of Ancus Marcius and to the earliest members of the Roman Senate. All magistracies were off-limits to plebeians. Patrician status was inherited, and intermarriage between patricians and plebeians was forbidden. Trade between patricians and plebeians was also forbidden."

Interesting information I think!

Also, Cleo is also considered to mean, "To Praise, Acclaim". If there is anything to these meanings then we have another interesting relationship, since the last part of her name is supposed to be "Patra!" And since I have already mentioned that "patra", means "Rock", and both are considered as related to "Peter", then it is possible that "Cleo-Patra" is or could have been a double "father" or "rock" or "peter", etc.?

Other wise we can consider that the name might be translated as "to praise or aclaim "peter" or "the father", which is also interesting in itself!

One might also consider that Cleopatra is a contraction of "cleaving to the father", or something similar like "cleaving to the rock", etc.?

In any event an interesting name and something which I think that should be considered when discussing the name and the person!

What would be your take on it?



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