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Re: Sargon and the origin of Nile! Part 3

So, by now we have had a pretty good explanation of the accepted derivation of the word Nile, and I also presented a few oblique looks at some words. But back to the first post;

"And at; http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Niles where we find this;

"The boy's name Niles is pronounced nyles. It is of English origin. Variant of Niall (Irish, Gaelic) 'champion.' Also possibly 'cloud' or 'passionate.'

May also be used in reference to Nilus (Greek), a saint's name, or be derived from the river in Africa. Familiar in modern times due to the character of Dr. Niles Crane in the TV sitcom 'Frasier.'"

Here the author mentions good old St. Nilus, whose story needs to be read. And here we may ask "what came first the Saint or the River?" The author goes on;

"Niles has 2 variant forms: Nile and Nyles.

For more information, see also related names Neil and Nelson. Search for names similar to Niles starting with Ni-, Nil- or ending with -es, -les, -iles."

For the first time, you might see just where I am heading? As I mentioned earlier, I can easily follow a history were the origins of words were or are determined by their use by the early Gaelic, and/or Celtic usages! Yes, I have said it before, I can easily defend a West to East spread of language, rather than the other way. And good old St. Nilus, might have really spelled his name, if he could read or write, as Niles or Nyles, and the Nile river might well be named for the person who discovered it and made it useful to people and educated them? Thus, for all we know, it might be really be "the river of Niles!", a Celtic of Gaelic priest, etc. I can propose such a weird answer since no one really knows!

And, according to our source the word could mean "champion" or "cloud" or "passionate!", certainly not "dark" or "black", although one might consider a "dark" or "black" cloud? Or a "dark" or "Black" champion or knight?, or even the "dark" side or "black" side of passion?

And consider this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil In which is stated;

"Neil is a forename of Gaelic - that is, Irish or Scottish - origin. The name is a corruption of 'Niall', perhaps derived from the vocative form, 'Nill'. The name comes into French and Norman-Latin as Nigell-us, originally pronounced almost identically. The name, like many Gaelic names, is borrowed into Norse as Njl.

The unrelated Indian name 'Neel' (blue) has overlapping variants 'Neal' and 'Neil'.

The original meaning of 'Neil' is unclear, but Champion or Cloud are the most popular meanings assigned to it today."

I think the above post is most important.

And, I wrote in my first post;

But, I will suggest an alternative or revisionist possiblilty! Please look at;

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/knells Where we get this;

"knell (nl)
v. knelled, knelling, knells
v.intr.
1. To ring slowly and solemnly, especially for a funeral; toll.
2. To give forth a mournful or ominous sound.
v.tr.
To signal, summon, or proclaim by tolling.
n.
1. The sound of a bell knelling; a toll.
2. A signal of disaster or destruction.

[Middle English knellen, from Old English cnyllan.]" And;

"ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. knell - the sound of a bell rung slowly to announce a death or a funeral or the end of something

bell, toll - the sound of a bell being struck; "saved by the bell"; "she heard the distant toll of church bells"

Verb

1. knell - ring as in announcing death
ring, peal - sound loudly and sonorously; "the bells rang"

2. knell - make (bells) ring, often for the purposes of musical edification; "Ring the bells"; "My uncle rings every Sunday at the local church"
ring

sound - cause to sound; "sound the bell"; "sound a certain note"

toll - ring slowly; "For whom the bell tolls"

And from; http://www.thefreedictionary.com/death+knells we get this;

"Noun

1. death knell - an omen of death or destruction
omen, portent, prognostic, prognostication, presage, prodigy - a sign of something about to happen; "he looked for an omen before going into battle"

2. death knell - a bell rung to announce a death
death bell

bell - a hollow device made of metal that makes a ringing sound when struck "

http://www.morewords.com/word/knells/ we find this;

" knells
Definition of knells
plural of knell 1

The word "knells" uses 6 letters: E K L L N S.

No direct anagrams for knells found in this word list.

Adding one letter to knells does not form any other word in this word list.

Shorter words found within knells:
el elk elks ell ells els en ens es ken kens knell lek leks lens ne sel sell sen snell"

Please note the prominance of "El" in the above, and compare it to the "Al" mentioned earlier!

And in a little different vein;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil In which is stated;

"Neil is a forename of Gaelic - that is, Irish or Scottish - origin. The name is a corruption of 'Niall', perhaps derived from the vocative form, 'Nill'. The name comes into French and Norman-Latin as Nigell-us, originally pronounced almost identically. The name, like many Gaelic names, is borrowed into Norse as Njl.

The unrelated Indian name 'Neel' (blue) has overlapping variants 'Neal' and 'Neil'.

The original meaning of 'Neil' is unclear, but Champion or Cloud are the most popular meanings assigned to it today."

And;

http://www.andythenamebender.com/name-meanings/Nigel.htm Which says;

"The meaning of Nigel
Origin: English
Meaning: Champion. From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

Origin: Gaelic
Meaning: Champion From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

Origin: Irish
Meaning: Variant of Neill: Champion. A dynasty of Irish kings was founded by Niall of the Nine Hostages.

Origin: Latin
Meaning: Dark.

Origin: Scandinavian
Meaning: Champion. From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

The name Nigel is of Latin origin. Its meaning is, "dark one". Nigel is a male name."

Now, just what does all of the above have to do with my posts?

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