Re: Sargon and the origin of Nile! Part 2

First of all, I do not consider the word "Nile" as a Greek or Roman derivrative! And with that being said, let us go back to my first words on the subject;

The Nile River from;

"Arabic Bahr an-Nil, or Nahr an-Nil,"

Thus from the above we see the root word "Nil", which in English might be defined as "Nothing!"

The article went on to say'

"The Nile is formed by three principal streams, the Blue Nile (Arabic: Al-Bahr al-Azraq; Amharic: Abay) and the Atbara (Arabic: Nahr 'Atbarah), which flow from the highlands of Ethiopia, and the White Nile (Arabic: Al-Bahr al-Abyad), the headstreams of which flow into Lakes Victoria and Albert."

From this we see the word "blue" used to describe one branch of this river! And "blue" is decidedly different than "dark" or "Black", as is "white!", but we have been told for years that Egypt was known as the "black" land, or "dark" land, as it was called KMT! The article goes on to say;

"The name Nile is derived from the Greek Neilos (Latin: Nilus), which probably originated from the Semitic root nahal, meaning a valley or river valley, and hence, by an extension of the meaning, a river. "

Here we see something that just has to exist in any attempt by the current experts in the field of etymology, and history, because they have all been told that the Greeks, were among the first outsiders allowed into Egypt, that were not conquerors, and that Greece, had its own ancient history, a lot of which has been carefully integrated into a common shared history! The article goes on to say;

"The fact that the Nileunlike other great rivers known to themflowed from the south northward and was in flood at the warmest time of the year was an unsolved mystery to the ancient Egyptians and Greeks."

The above statement is also somewhat of a mystery, since the Greeks in question are supposedly the descendants of a group of people called the Dorians, who reportedly came to Greece from the far North, and if this was so, then rivers flowing from South to North whould not have been unknown to them, nor would they if any of these Greeks had ever done any travelling during this same period to the Norhtern sea areas! Again;

"The ancient Egyptians called the river Ar or Aur (Coptic: Iaro), or Black, in allusion to the colour of the sediments carried by the river when it is in flood. Nile mud is black enough to have given the land itself its oldest name, Kem or Kemi, which also means Black and signifies darkness. In The Odyssey, the epic poem written by the Greek poet Homer (7th century BC), Aigyptos is the name of the Nile (masculine) as well as the country of Egypt (feminine) through which it flows. The Nile in Egypt and the northern Sudan is now called An-Nil, Al-Bahr, and Bahr an-Nil or Nahr an-Nil."

Boy, what a good sentence! Above we have some key elements added to the mystery such as "Ar" or "Aur", from which "Arthur" might be obtained?, and the Copitc version "Iaro", from which we have learned from other words might just a well be written as "Jaro", which reportedly meant "black!"

And then the article gets back on track by mentioning "Kem" or "Kemi", which they fail noticably to me to mention comes from the accepted Egyptian word for their own land which was written in consonants as "K-M-T, or with vowell substitution is most commonly seen written as "Kemit" or "Kemet", again reportedly meaning "black!" or at least "darkness!"

But then the article jumps suddenly to Homer, who they state referred to the Nile as "Aigyptos", which is commonly spelled in translations as "Aegyptus" or "Aegyptos!" And, since Homer reportedly knew so much about Egypt, then we may presume that "Aigyptus" also meant "Dark" or "Black" to Homer, but wheter it meant "the dark land", or "the Dark men" of Egypt is left open to us. Certainly there exists some evidence that the Egyptian army reportedly sent to help Troy in its battle against the Greeks, had a numbr of "Black Africans" if not the leader himself "Amnon" (I believe) referred to as being "Black!", or possibly Nubian?

Again of interest, is the mention that the word "Nile" is used in a masculine form, whiilst Egypt seems to be in the feminine case! Thus a male flow thru a feminine land! Could this be a sexual reference to the fact that the Nile literally "plows" its way thru the land, especially since the term "plowing a furrow" has for years been used to describe the sexual act.

The last sentence of the original quote was; "The Nile in Egypt and the northern Sudan is now called An-Nil, Al-Bahr, and Bahr an-Nil or Nahr an-Nil."

Again, we see some interesting word usage. In the first case "An-Nil" seems very close to the old Sumerian / Babylonian gods name, and "Al-Bahr" could just as well be spelled or written as "El-Bahr!", with "El" being, possibly, a key connection!

Next, in my post, I quoted from , where I placed in quotes;

"Kemetic names: Hapi, Hapy, Hap, Hep (N.B. In addition to native variations by locality or over time, there are often several possible transliterations into the Roman alphabet used for English.)"

Well, here we have some "Hapi" or "Hapy" words to play with! LOL Note that the author even mentions that "there are often several possible transliterations into the Roman alphabet used for English." I wonder what other possibilites exist? Heck, it is even possible that "Havi" might be one possibility? Havi, as in Havilah?, for example!

"Greek name: Neilos (from Tameran nwy, meaning water or river)"

Here I must refer you to ,which is just another part of the site that gave us the definitions. I found this out by simply searching for a word, with which I was not familar, and the word was Tameran! And from this site I found; "The fertile growing region along the Nile is called the Black Land. It is surrounded by the red desert, called the Red Land. Together they make up the Two Lands, an ancient native name for Egypt." Now, we have the Blue, the Black, the White and the Red! But, the title of the above site is "Tameran/Kemetic Religion", and it obviously is devoted to the religious rites of the Egyptian ruled area. At least that is what it appears?

The site goes on to say; "Tameran: Any of a number of modern traditions based at least in part on the ancient religion. Named for a common native name for Egypt, Ta-Mri (or Tamera), this term was first applied to Wiccan use of the Tameran deities."

So, now we find out that certain Egyptians seemed to have called their land "Ta-Mri" or as they write it, Tamera! And, strangly enough, it is only at this point that we might be getting to the fact that in the Bible, Egypt is thought to have been referred to as "M-R-I" or Mizram!, at least that is what I think the above means?

And, also found at this site is;

"The Legend of Isis and Osiris

Originally, Osiris was the King of Egypt, civilizing the nation with help from Thoth's skills in writing and communication, laws, arts and sciences. Once Egyptians had adapted to these new things, Osiris took it upon himself to journey afar to learn more. He named Isis as his regent to act in his stead.

The evil God, Apep, was jealous of this and thus he killed Osiris. To avenge Osiris' death, Isis inpregnanted herself magically and bore Osiris' son, Horus, to slay Apep. At first, in his youth, Horus and his mother hid from the great serpent God in the marshlands of the Nile, where serpents dare not go. But after Horus became the Sun God, he engaged in a great battle of light over darkness against Apep. The battle was feirce, and no end reached until collectively the Gods ruled in Horus' favour and banished Apep forever.

Modified Version

After the time of the foreign Hyksos overlords, Set (the preferred god of the Hyksos) was viewed as the evil god by Egyptians. The blame cast on Apep for Osiris' death then transferred to Set.

Set was very jealous of Osiris because he was more important than him. He decided to make an evil plan to kill him. He threw a party. At the party, there was a beautiful chest there. Set promised that whoever fit into the chest perfectly would get to keep it. Nobody knew that he had secretly made it the perfect size for Osiris. Everyone tried it but would not fit. When Osiris tried it, Set slammed it closed and nailed it shut. He threw it into the Nile to be swept away. Isis was heart broken and immediately set off to find him.

Meanwhile, the casket had been swept onto shore. A tree had grown up around it, enclosing it in its trunk. Then the tree had been cut down and was used as a pillar for the palace of King Byblos. Isis found this out and came there in disguise.

Byblos saw her and begged her to take care of his child. Isis grew quite fond of the child and decided to make him immortal. So every night she would throw him onto magical fires to burn away all that was mortal about him. Then Isis would turn herself into a swallow and fly around the pillar weeping for her spouse.

Unexpectedly one day Byblos came home and saw his child in the fires and blew them out. Isis became angry and told him that now his son could never become immortal. He apologized and asked what he could do to make it up to her. Isis asked for the pillar and he let her have it. She removed the casket and wept upon it. Then she brought it home and when no one was looking, she opened it up. She turned into a bird called a kite and flapped her mighty wings. The wind her beating wings created gave him the Breath of Life for one day. During this time, she conceived her son Horus from him. Then she concealed the casket among long reeds. She went away to secretly give birth to her son.

Unfortunately, one night Set was hunting and he saw the familiar chest. He was furious and tore up the body into fourteen pieces. Then he scattered the pieces all over Egypt so no one could restore them.

Isis was inconsolable. She immediately began searching for the pieces in hopes of putting them back together. Nephthys also helped her. Nephthys felt sorry for her and infuriated with Set for doing such an awful thing. Anubis, Nephthys's son, also helped. He was like a jackal and was good at finding things. Eventually, they found all the parts but one, which they made a model of. They put all the parts together and Osiris looked as he had before.

Isis then performed rituals and, with the help of Anubis, she brought him back to life. Osiris was sent to rule the underworld, being the only person to live after death. He ruled it as he had once ruled the Earth. The sun, Ra, would wake him up every night after everyone had gone asleep.

Isis then went back to raise her son. He grew up in secrecy hidden in the reeds. Then, when he was old enough, Horus often took the form of a hawk. Horus decided to take revenge on Set for the murder of his father.

He fought him for three days and three nights until Thoth came between them. He knew the difference between right and wrong and took them both to the Court of Law. They listened to Horus's side of the story. Then they listened to Set's side of the story but no one believed him. Then the verdict was given. Set was guilty and sentenced to carrying the boat that held the sun across the sky. He had to overcome he serpent of darkness that tried to eat the sun.

Then Horus got the privilege of taking his father's place ruling the Earth as Osiris had once done. The story does not end here, but this is the main part of the story that is most known and most important."

I thought it important to mention this great legend of Egypt, which has a lot to do with the Nile, the battle of "light" over "darkness", etc. And, of course you also see a lot of other connections in the above legend, with one seemingly describing the baby Moses!

But back to the action;

"Latin name: Nilus

English name: the Nile

basic information:

Hapi: God/Goddess of the Nile. This deity has both male and female genitals and full breasts. Created by the merger of Nun (Goddess of water) and Min (God of fertility). Shown as a hippopotamus."

Ok, here is where I will stop for you all to breath! But, suddenly we have a hermaphrodite god(ess)!

And again, the appearence of "Nun", as in Joshua the son of Nun, the person who reportedly took over from Moses!! And who is connected to Jesus, amongst others.

Thanks Charles! PS, if you desire, I can remove these very long posts after you have had time to read and digest them, so as not to take up so much space!



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