Re: Sargon and the origin of Nile! Part 1
In Response To: Sargon ()

Since I did not explain in more detail my thoughts concerning the word Nile, if you do not mind, I will post my thoughts about it?

The Nile River from;

"Arabic Bahr an-Nil, or Nahr an-Nil,

The Nile River basin and its drainage network.Encyclopdia Britannica, Inc.river, the father of African rivers and the longest river in the world. It rises south of the equator and flows northward through northeastern Africa to drain into the Mediterranean Sea. It has a length of about 4,132 miles (6,650 kilometres) and drains an area estimated at 1,293,000 square miles (3,349,000 square kilometres). Its basin includes parts of Tanzania, Burundi, Rwanda, Congo (Kinshasa), Kenya, Uganda, and Ethiopia, most of The Sudan, and the cultivated part of Egypt. Its most distant source is the Kagera River in Burundi.

The Nile is formed by three principal streams, the Blue Nile (Arabic: Al-Bahr al-Azraq; Amharic: Abay) and the Atbara (Arabic: Nahr 'Atbarah), which flow from the highlands of Ethiopia, and the White Nile (Arabic: Al-Bahr al-Abyad), the headstreams of which flow into Lakes Victoria and Albert.

The name Nile is derived from the Greek Neilos (Latin: Nilus), which probably originated from the Semitic root nahal, meaning a valley or river valley, and hence, by an extension of the meaning, a river. The fact that the Nileunlike other great rivers known to themflowed from the south northward and was in flood at the warmest time of the year was an unsolved mystery to the ancient Egyptians and Greeks. The ancient Egyptians called the river Ar or Aur (Coptic: Iaro), or Black, in allusion to the colour of the sediments carried by the river when it is in flood. Nile mud is black enough to have given the land itself its oldest name, Kem or Kemi, which also means Black and signifies darkness. In The Odyssey, the epic poem written by the Greek poet Homer (7th century BC), Aigyptos is the name of the Nile (masculine) as well as the country of Egypt (feminine) through which it flows. The Nile in Egypt and the northern Sudan is now called An-Nil, Al-Bahr, and Bahr an-Nil or Nahr an-Nil."

Since I have also looked for and found other sites, as I expect each of you do also so as to provide some verification, and possibly new information, the above is about the best compliation of the numerous meanings of the word.

Except at; where the following is found;

"Kemetic names: Hapi, Hapy, Hap, Hep (N.B. In addition to native variations by locality or over time, there are often several possible transliterations into the Roman alphabet used for English.)

Greek name: Neilos (from Tameran nwy, meaning water or river)

Latin name: Nilus

English name: the Nile

basic information:
Hapi: God/Goddess of the Nile. This deity has both male and female genitals and full breasts. Created by the merger of Nun (Goddess of water) and Min (God of fertility). Shown as a hippopotamus."

And at; where we find this; "The boy's name Niles is pronounced nyles. It is of English origin. Variant of Niall (Irish, Gaelic) "champion." Also possibly "cloud" or "passionate." May also be used in reference to Nilus (Greek), a saint's name, or be derived from the river in Africa. Familiar in modern times due to the character of Dr. Niles Crane in the TV sitcom "Frasier."

Niles has 2 variant forms: Nile and Nyles.

For more information, see also related names Neil and Nelson. Search for names similar to Niles starting with Ni-, Nil- or ending with -es, -les, -iles."

But, I will suggest an alternative or revisionist possiblilty! Please look at; and and and and in a little different vein; In which is stated;

"Neil is a forename of Gaelic - that is, Irish or Scottish - origin. The name is a corruption of 'Niall', perhaps derived from the vocative form, 'Nill'. The name comes into French and Norman-Latin as Nigell-us, originally pronounced almost identically. The name, like many Gaelic names, is borrowed into Norse as Njl.

The unrelated Indian name 'Neel' (blue) has overlapping variants 'Neal' and 'Neil'.

The original meaning of 'Neil' is unclear, but Champion or Cloud are the most popular meanings assigned to it today." And from; and and Which says;

"The meaning of Nigel
Origin: English
Meaning: Champion. From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

Origin: Gaelic
Meaning: Champion From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

Origin: Irish
Meaning: Variant of Neill: Champion. A dynasty of Irish kings was founded by Niall of the Nine Hostages.

Origin: Latin
Meaning: Dark.

Origin: Scandinavian
Meaning: Champion. From the Irish and Scottish Niall.

The name Nigel is of Latin origin. Its meaning is, "dark one". Nigel is a male name."

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