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Re: What a stepmother she must have been?

I am surprised that no one responded to this post! Here is a woman of royal blood in Rome, and she determines to raise the children of the ex-queen of Egypt! What a blood line they would have had! Note all of the following words in quotes are from Wikipedia!

"Cleopatra VII Philopator (January 69 BC August 12, 30 BC) was queen of ancient Egypt, the last member of the Ptolemaic dynasty and hence the last Hellenistic ruler of Egypt. Although many other Egyptian Queens shared the name, she is usually known as simply Cleopatra, and all of her similarly named predecessors have been mostly forgotten."

My question is why would all of the predecessors of Cleopatra, which may well mean 'Cleaving to the Rock", have been forgotten?

"As co-ruler of Egypt with her father (Ptolemy XII Auletes), her brother/husband Ptolemy XIII, and later her son Caesarion, Cleopatra survived a coup engineered by her brother's courtiers, consummated a liaison with Julius Caesar that solidified her grip on the throne, and, after Caesar's assassination, aligned with Mark Antony, with whom she produced twins. She later married Mark Antony and gave birth to another son. In all, Cleopatra had 4 children, 3 by Antony and 1 by Caesar. Her union with her brother produced no children." Can we really believe that this strong woman would marry her brother? Maybe he was closer to her "cousin" or her "German?"

"After Antony's rival and Caesar's legal heir, Octavian, brought the might of Rome against Egypt, Cleopatra took her own life on August 12, 30 BC."

Note that anything remotely resembling the name Octavian, has great significance!

"Caesar wintered in Egypt in 48 BC47 BC, and Cleopatra shored up her political advantage by becoming his lover. Egypt remained independent, but three Roman legions were left to protect it. Cleopatra's winter liaison with Caesar produced a son whom they named Ptolemy Caesar (nicknamed Caesarion, little Caesar). However, Caesar refused to make the boy his heir, naming his grand-nephew Octavian instead."

We must consider that as far as we know, Caesar had no other children known to modern man other than that son born to Cleopatra! So, can anyone consider why he would nominate a Great Nephew to be his heir?

"Cleopatra and Caesarion visited Rome between 46 BC and 44 BC and were present when Caesar was assassinated. Before or just after she returned to Egypt, Ptolemy XIV died mysteriously (possibly poisoned by Cleopatra). Cleopatra then made Caesarion her co-regent and successor(4430 BC)."

So, at this point, Caesarion was a co-equal ruler of the bread-basket of Rome, and a legitimate heir of Caesar! What a combination? One would think he would be considered the next heir of the world of Roma?

But, I would like you all to consider the word Ptolemy! As you can well recognize, this word has a silent "P", in its makeup! Thus the pronounciation is Tolemy, and nothing else. I would like to know just whom first spelled this name in this manner? Was it a Greek or a Roman? And just how did Egyptologists decode this name in the picto-grams of the ancient Egyptian picture language? I suggest that some research be done with the words or possible words left in English after the "P" is dropped from this name! Note, the word "tole", is considered as a sheet metal plate, or tablet! But, told", which is a good sound alike, is the past tense of "tell!" And, Toledo, describes a "finely tempered sword!" And "tolerance or tolerable" means "a relative capacity to endure..!" etc. And "toll" gives us a reference to a "customs house!", and a "toll" was something that all traders had to "endure!" And I ask you to look up other possible meanings such as "to toll the bell", etc.

And consider "tele" or "tel", meaning far off, or at a distance?, which exactly desicribes the great lighthouse of Alexander, at a later date. But there are plenty of words beginning with "tele" or "tel", to be looked at! So please do so.

But even more interesting is when you spell it as "tell!", which means to "count" or "enumerate", etc., which is exactly what a "customs officer" is required to do!

Oh, also, in archeaology, a "tell" is a mound, which provides a "tell tell/tale" sign of inhabitation!

"Mark Antony, final fall, suicide

In 42 BC, Mark Antony, one of the triumvirs who ruled Rome in the power vacuum following Caesar's death, summoned Cleopatra to meet him in Tarsus to answer questions about her loyalty. Cleopatra arrived in great state, and so charmed Antony that he chose to spend the winter of 42 BC41 BC with her in Alexandria. During the winter, she became pregnant with twins, who were named Cleopatra Selene and Alexander Helios.

Four years later, in 37 BC, Antony visited Alexandria again while on route to make war with the Parthians. He renewed his relationship with Cleopatra, and from this point on Alexandria would be his home. He may have married Cleopatra according to the Egyptian rite (a letter quoted in Suetonius suggests this), although he was at the time married to Octavia Minor, sister of his fellow triumvir Octavian. He and Cleopatra had another child, Ptolemy Philadelphus.

At the Donations of Alexandria in late 34 BC, following Antony's conquest of Armenia, Cleopatra and Caesarion were crowned co-rulers of Egypt and Cyprus; Alexander Helios was crowned ruler of Armenia, Media, and Parthia; Cleopatra Selene was crowned ruler of Cyrenaica and Libya; and Ptolemy Philadelphus was crowned ruler of Phoenicia, Syria, and Cilicia. Cleopatra also took the title of Queen of Kings."

I leave it too yourselves to see any other possibe links!

"Following the Battle of Actium, Octavian invaded Egypt. As he approached Alexandria, Antony's armies deserted to Octavian. Cleopatra and Antony both committed suicide, Cleopatra by using a snake to poison herself on August 12, 30 BC.

Cleopatra's son by Caesar, Caesarion, was executed by Octavian. The three children of Cleopatra with Antony were spared and taken back to Rome where they were reared by Antony's wife, Octavia."

And thus we are left with the above weird condition.

Ron