Daughter/Wife of Pharaoh and Moses
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I was reading the bible and I came across this verse Ex 1:8 Now there rose a new king over Egypt which knew not Joseph. Who is this King? and why is the author making it clear that he did not know Joseph. If it was Amenhotep III how could Yuya be Joseph?

> In the Middle Kingdom, the pharaoh was Amenemhet III. In the New Kingdom the pharaoh should have been Amenhotep III, however he died prematurely. His role had to be picked up by another family member. The pharaoh of the Exodus in the New Kingdom was Ramses I. Howeever, at the time of the Exodus of Akhenaten he was a pharaoh of the Libyan throne (Takelot II) and not yet of all Egypt. Still the pattern was more-or-less "fulfilled".

Exo 7:7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh. Who is the pharoah in this one is it Horemheb? And who is Aaron to be that close in age to Moses or is this a middle kingdom verse? Ages are not really important. The Middle Kingdom Aaron was Amenemhet IV. In the New Kingdom this role was played by Aanen (whose name obviously is the basis for the biblical name). Aanen was slightly older than Akhenaten. I don't think it is possible to know the birth order in the Middle Kingdom.

Exo 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. I have always wanted to know who this Moses is I'm thinking Ahmose I or Thutmose and here is why if you read the quran(which I strongly suggest Mr. Pope to tie up lose ends)

>> As mentioned in recent posts, the Exodus at the beginning of the New Kingdom was a false or reverse Exodus (for lack of a better term). Apophis/Apepi/Tao, in emulation of Old Kingdom Pepi/Sargon, played the role of Moses and his son Thutmose I was a type of Joshua. There are no loose ends here. There is a role for every prince, and every prince in his role!

1Ch 4:18 And his wife Jehudijah bare Jered the father of Gedor, and Heber the father of Socho, and Jekuthiel the father of Zanoah. And these are the sons of Bithiah the daughter of Pharaoh, which Mered took. Who is this daughter and pharoah and which kingdom is this?

>> This is a Middle Kingdom genealogy. As shown in book chart #1, Jered is Patriarch Irad and Heber is the same as Patriarch Eber. It is interesting that the emphasis in the Middle Kingdom was on a daughter of pharaoh, Bithia, rather than a wife of pharaoh. Perhaps this is the source of the Exodus story. Unfortunately, we don't know that much about Middle Kingdom princesses and queens.

Surah 28:9 The wife of Pharoah said: "(here is) joy of the eye for me and thee: slay him not. It may be that he will be use to us or, we may adopt him as a son." And they perceived not (what they were doing!) This saying the pharoahs wife and not the daughter found him could this help out? Is this Tiye?

>> Interesting that the Koran emphasizes that it was a wife and not a daughter of pharaoh involved in the adoption of Moses. Yes, in the New Kingdom Tiye is the mother of Akhenaten/Moses and she played the role of "daughter/wife of pharaoh". She was however not literally a daughter of a pharaoh, but she was the wife of a pharaoh. In the culture of that time the terms for daughter and wife were perhaps interchangeable. In the Middle Kingdom, it was perhaps a daughter rather than wife of a pharaoh that “adopted” the Moses of that time.

In the New Kingdom, Yuya never assumed the title of pharoah, only "father of pharaoh". In the Middle Kingdom, Inyotef IV was considered a pharaoh. So perhaps all these things led to the confusion between the Torah, Koran, and Talmud. If we see the Book of Exodus as a composite primarily of Middle and New Kingdom history (but also perhaps elements of Old Kingdom-Pepi, late New Kingdom-Taharqa, and even the mythology of Horus and Isis) , then the confusion is explained. All of the various texts contribute to a better understanding of the Moses role in history. See also the following forum post on the “daughter/wife of pharoah” topic:

Also the quran says Moses has a speech problem and don't egyptologists say Tut had something wrong with his mouth?

>> The CAT scan of Tut did show that he had a cleft palate. It is debated whether it was severe enough to cause a speech impediment. Reasonably, his father Akhenaten also had a cleft palate and perhaps it was severe enough to cause a speech impediment.

In the quran it says moses debated with the pharoah about the idealism of ptah and this is not mentioned in the bible.

>> Interesting. Moses (role of Re) is the son of Joseph (role of Ptah). The "pharoah of the Exodus" was in the role of Shiloh/Solomon/Noah, ideally but not always also a son of Joseph. It is not surprising that Ptah would be a topic of great interest to all concerned!

The quran says that Moses fled out of ethiopia to yemen rather than egypt to sinai. Another interesting thing is that the quran says a "sumerian" fashioned the Golden calf and not aaron. Surah Ta ha (20:85) “We tested thy people in thy absence: the Samiri led them astray.”

>> Yes, we have recently discussed this exile to Ethiopia/Nubia.

There is further discussion in Chapter 16 of the on-line book. Also in the on-line book it was shown that Aaron of the New Kingdom was governor of the city of Samaria.

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