Re: Was White Powder Moses' Mana?

Don't know is the following is considered "New Age" or not, but it offfers a view that is new to me. The original of this post came from

A new view of manna found at;

I suggest you go to the above site first, read it, and then if you are still interested read the posts below!!!

More from Egodeath;

Dionysus: Myth and Cult
by Walter Otto

p. 122-132 is key reading for entheogen scholars -- it's essentially a
critique of the theory of Rohde (and Nietzsche) that Greek religion
was founded on visionary plants. By applying and developing the
entheogen theory of religion, I discovered the key to reading this
passage to understand what Otto fails to see: you must take a 'riddle'
mentality and read 'animals' (hunted and torn apart and eaten by the
Maenads) instead as 'psychoactive plants'. Herd of cattle =
mushrooms. The animals include goat, fawn, cow, bull, sometimes bear,
wolve (p. 132). Then Otto's objections to Rohde's entheogen theory
collapses, and the entheogen theory is revealed as the successful

Psyche: The Cult of Souls and Belief in Immortality Among Ancient
by Erwin Rohde

Nietzsche's _The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music_ mentions
"influences of the narcotic potion of which all primitive men and
peoples speak in hymns" (per Otto p. 122, and the Genesis of Eden

Genesis of Eden Diversity Encyclopedia
Treading the Winepress: Part 2 -- The Epiphany of Miraculous Dread
Recommended webpage.

A whole mass of riddles is thus solved at once; this key enabled me
last night to also solve the riddle of the miraculous vine that is
ready to be mixed into wine in 1 day: mushrooms. Cluster of grapes
there = mushrooms. Ruck, Ratsh, Samarino, etc. have covered this area
as well; it would be good to search out these particulars in their
works, including the point about the riddle mentality of
interpretation, including punning and deliberate misleading.

The visionary-plants hypothesis must become a clear theory in order to
blow away the convoluted, unclear, and oververbose, inflated scholarly
works such as Burkert and Otto. When adjusted properly to account for
visionary plants, metaphor, and riddling, the visionary plants (or
"shamanic") theory of Greek religion is completely victorious; there's
no contest, it completely works, and the alternatives are unclear,
convoluted, and vague -- they provide no fire, no matter how thick
their smoke.

Otto seems to be complaining in 1960 that the entheogen theory of
Dionysian religion (shamanic plant use to induce ecstatic
quasi-madness) has become entrenched, dominant, and popular. His
refutation amounts to this: women were ecstatic, not the whole
society, so Dionysus wasn't like shamanic practice. However, I point
out that women collect visionary plants. Against Otto, the 'women'
factor has nothing to do with women's psychology being different than
men's psychology, but rather, the fact that commonly it's the women
who collect plants.

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We ought to instead assume that the Catholic church was always
drenched in visionary plants and their only issue was how to retain
profitable control of our drive to consume visionary plants. Against
every other entheogen scholar, I insist we must begin by assuming that
the lay, the priests, and the monastics were all consuming visionary
plants all the time, and the only issue was profitable control of
this. We must only back off and back down from that extreme view when
forced to by a sharp, perspicacious reading of the evidence. We must
only let go of the entheogen theory of the Catholic Eucharist when
absolutely forced to, after every reading has been tried.

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