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Re: Elysian Fields
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Dear Mr Muster,

I've noticed you slide in the use of Ely-Sion with Old Sion. This is really a word play and not actual and I'll tell you why. Elysian is Ely-Sian and not "Sion" which makes a difference in root word meaning. Also, many lands outside the Greeks land was considered a magical realm to a degree. The Norse, like the Greeks believed that the Geography outside of their own territory was of a legendary status to adventure or admire.

The Elysian Fields may yield actually multiple sources. Middle Eastern Countries were not symbolized to have the same lush and green lands as Europe did during the time of the Time of Homer and Hesiod or even between 1,000 B.C.-1,500 B.C.

The Elysian Fields were technically place names for the widespread worship of the Goddess ALYS. This is likely to be related to the later fiction of Alice in Wonderland. It may be that the Homeric adjective ELYSIAN is derived from the Goddess Alys. "Alys" also appears as "Alise" or "alis" in many French place names. the term Metropolis may even derive ulimately from this evolution of place-names becoming holy towns and cities. Alise and alis means, "sheltered creek" in Dauzat's Dictionnaire Etymologique. It was derived from the Gaulish word "alisia", perhaps Pre-Celtic, which is represented also by numerous place names. This also provide the Spanish root-word 'alder' (aliso). This makes mythical sense because CALYPSO's sepulchral island of OGYGIA was screened by 'alder' thickets. Also, ALYS or ALIS or HALYS is the name of the biggest river in Asia Minor (Turkey). This also goes to prove it is a Pre-Hellenic territory as shown by the town Aliassus, built on it banks just before it turns north to empty into the Southern Black Sea. There are also two HALES rivers, one in Ionia, the other in Lucania which is also named after this same Goddess ALYS.

When looking in the Middle East in Yemen or Arabia, there seems to be no place names that logically fit. Alys was also not worshipped in these arab territories Zion was neither of those Arab places anyways. I am sticking the Greek spirit with the Greek esoteric geography. The Zion-Sion is was not a realm for the departed in Jewish myth either. Zion is used as the Jewish Religious-Political Homeland, while The Elysian Fields was not regarded as the Religious-Political
Homeland of the Greeks. The root words you use stretches a bit to far for me. I am always willing to stretch forth with possible other conclusions, but Yemen I cannot see a connection.

Mr Muster, where in Yemen and in Yemen's history is there a correlation to the Elysian Fields? I do not detect you made a strong case for The Elysian Fields in the Middle East near Arabia or Yemen.

The British folklore has their Avalon not necessary far from their lands. In fact, it is quite fitting mythical lands tap onto the borders of the mythmakers.

Even Plato's Atlantis was said to have interacted with The Athenian and invaded on what was building up into a Hellenist world. Most would misunderstand The Atlantis myth if one were to think Plato referred to Atlantis as literally 9,000 years ago, since the Athenian's didn't exist 9.000 years ago. Atlantis was understood as leading upto Hellenic history and to have existed more recent into Pre-Hellenic times and more close to our times rather than 9,000 years ago.

As for The Elysian Fields, I believe it to be wherever the Goddes Alys was worshipped and that could have scattered into a few parts of Europe and Asia Minor. Only her worshippers spent time in her fields originally. The Patriarch Hellenization of this Goddess has added much misunderstanding to this myth.

Erol

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