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Re: Alcibiades and El Cid
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The relationship of Al (El) Cid and Al (El) Ex-ander seems to really connect when it comes to a horse.

First of all "alex" supposedly means "defender", maybe "the King's champion?", which was reportedly a position held by the Cid, and the word "ander" meaning man! Maybe an "A" could be substituted for the "E?", in this case it would be "Ax(e)Ander, or "the Axe Man?" But of course we could also persue the thought that "Alex", might have meant "A Lex", with "lex" meaning "Lord" or "king"? In this case Alex-Ander, whould translate as "King of Men!" Compare this with EL Cid below!

"The nickname "El Cid" comes from the Spanish article "El", which means "The" and the dialectal Arab word سيد "sdi" or sayyid, which means "Lord". So "El Cid" could be translated as "The Lord". As explained later in the article, the title "Campeador" is a vulgar Latin word that could be translated as 'master of military arts'."

It could also be said that Alexander was considered a "master of military arts!"

"El" could also be considered to be "El" as in "God", or "King?", thus El Cid, might be considered as the "Lord of Kings?" or even "the King of Kings?", etc. The same thing can be considered of "Al", as in "Al-lah?"

So, all things considered the names are virtually the same!

From Wikipedia;

"Babieca was El Cid's warhorse. Several stories exist about the Cid and Babieca. One well-known legend about the Cid describes how he acquired the white stallion. According to this story, Rodrigo's godfather, Pedro El Grande, was a monk at a Carthusian monastery. Pedro's coming-of-age gift to El Cid was his pick of a horse from an Andalusian herd. El Cid picked a horse that his godfather thought was a weak, poor choice, causing the monk to exclaim "Babieca!" (stupid!) Hence, it became the name of El Cid's horse.

Another legend states that in a competition of battle to become King Sancho's "Campeador", or champion, a knight on horseback wished to challenge the Cid. The King wished a fair fight and gave the Cid his finest horse, Babieca, or Bavieca. This version says Babieca was raised in the royal stables of Seville and was a highly trained and loyal war horse, not a foolish stallion. The name in this instance could suggest that the horse came from the Babia region in Len, Spain.

In either case, Babieca became a great warhorse, famous to the Christians, feared by El Cid's enemies, and loved by the Cid, who allegedly requested that Babieca be buried with him in the monastery of San Pedro de Cardea (he wasn't). His name is mentioned in several tales and historical documents about El Cid, including "Cantar de Mo Cid" ("Song of the Cid"). Some say that after the Cid's death in combat, Babieca was never mounted again and died two years later at the age of forty."

Note the words "loved by the Cid!", he was a "Phillip", like Alexander!

Quite a story heh? But, did you know that Alexander also had a prized and famous horse? Have you ever heard the expression "stupid as an Ox?"

Also from Wikipedia;

"Bucephalus (Ancient Greek: Βουκεφάλας, from βούς bous, "ox" and κεφαλή kephalē, "head" meaning "ox-head") (ca. 355 BC? June, 326 BC) was Alexander the Great's horse and arguably the most famous horse of antiquity. Ancient accounts state Bucephalus died after the Battle of the Hydaspes in 326 BC in what is now modern Pakistan and is buried in Jalalpur Sharif outside of Jhelum, Pakistan."

Note that Alexander's father's name was "Phillip" which reportedly means "horse lover?" (It seems there was a famous Casear who reportedly slept with his horse. And as such he was a "horse lover" also. Can you say Caligulia)

From Wikipedia;

"In 39, Caligula performed a spectacular stunt by ordering a temporary floating bridge to be built using ships as pontoons, stretching for over two miles from the resort of Baiae to the neighboring port of Puteoli.[64] It was said that the bridge was to rival that of Persian King Xerxes' crossing of the Hellespont.[64] Caligula, a man who could not swim,[65] then proceeded to ride his favorite horse, Incitatus, across, wearing the breastplate of Alexander the Great.[64] This act was in defiance of Tiberius' soothsayer Thrasyllus of Mendes prediction that he had "no more chance of becoming emperor than of riding a horse across the Bay of Baiae"."[64]

Plese note that Alexander and Caligula both built floating bridges, and both had favorite horses!

From Wikipedia;

"Incitatus was the name of Roman emperor Caligula's favored horse. Some have indicated that the horse was attended to by eighteen servants, and was fed oats mixed with gold flake; according to Suetonius's Lives of the Twelve Caesars, Incitatus had a stable of marble, with an ivory manger, purple blankets and a collar of precious stones. Suetonius wrote also that Caligula planned to make Incitatus a consul. Caligula even procured him a wife, a mare named Penelope. It has also been said Caligula claimed his horse to be a 'combination of all the gods' and to be worshiped as such.

The horse would also 'invite' dignitaries to dine with him, and had a house with full complement of servants to entertain such guests.

Historical revisionists like Anthony A. Barrett in Caligula: The Corruption of Power (Yale, 1990), question the negative portrait of Caligula. They ascribe Caligula's treatment of Incitatus as a way of ridiculing and angering the Senate, rather than a proof of his insanity. They suggest that later historians like Suetonius and Dio Cassius were motivated by the politics of their times and that their histories were distorted by the desire to include more colorful, but perhaps less reliable sources."

I propose that the name is certainly related to our modern word "incite" (to incite!), meaning;

"incite (n-st)
tr.v. incited, inciting, incites
To provoke and urge on: troublemakers who incite riots; inciting workers to strike. See Synonyms at provoke.

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[Middle English encyten, from Old French enciter, from Latin incitre, to urge forward : in-, intensive pref.; see in-2 + citre, to stimulate, frequentative of cire, to put in motion; see kei-2 in Indo-European roots.]

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incitement n.
inciter n.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsVerb 1. incite - give an incentive for action; "This moved me to sacrifice my career"
motivate, prompt, propel, actuate, move
cause, do, make - give rise to; cause to happen or occur, not always intentionally; "cause a commotion"; "make a stir"; "cause an accident"
impress, strike, affect, move - have an emotional or cognitive impact upon; "This child impressed me as unusually mature"; "This behavior struck me as odd"
move - arouse sympathy or compassion in; "Her fate moved us all"
2. incite - provoke or stir up; "incite a riot"; "set off great unrest among the people"
instigate, stir up, set off
provoke, stimulate - provide the needed stimulus for
raise - activate or stir up; "raise a mutiny"
3. incite - urge on; cause to act; "The other children egged the boy on, but he did not want to throw the stone through the window"
egg on, prod
goose - prod into action
halloo - urge on with shouts; "halloo the dogs in a hunt"
goad - urge with or as if with a goad"

Other sources say;

"The word "Incitatus" is a Latin adjective, which in English would be translated as "rapid" or "speedy"."

The above translation of Incitatus, meaning "rapid or speedy", must be taken with a grain of salt. It was not uncommon to use puns or plays on words in Rome, thus "speedy" may have rather been a "plodder?" I feel the definition I showed is most correct here!

From; http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:gryDtquOOekJ:www.desertanimalcompanions.org/ruff/HorseHistory.pdf+incitatus+meaning&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

"Incitatus was made a priest in the Temple of Gaius and consul by the Roman Emperor Caligula (A.D. 12-41) about AD 40. Caligula was born Gaius but was nicknamed Caligula, meaning Little Boots because he grew up among troops and wore a half-boot called the caliga.

Caligulas famous horse was named Incitatus. The horse was first called Porcellus, meaning little pig, but Caligula had his named changed to Incitatus, meaning swift speeding when he began winning races. This horse had an ivory stall in a marble stable and drank wine from a golden pail. He wore purple blankets and had a jeweled collar."

Of course a lot (if not most) of history comes not from real facts but from the imagination of the author(s)!

But the names of the horses seems to be rather similar, even if fun is or was sometimes made of them.

Bucephalus v. Babieca v. Incitatus

If you are unwilling to accept most of what has been mentioned above, or if you are unable to see a reason why a great Spanish hero could be confused with or compared with a great Macedonian (remember Axe-man or mace man) hero like Alexander, then you have not read about the Latin Kingdom of Greece and the surrounding area. Castilian, Aragonese, and Catalonian knights, amongst other knights from Europe actually divided up this area and fought over it and had "Olymic games", etc.

Please read about the Catalan Company for a little more information.

PS

The horse of Muhammed!

"Al Borak carried Muhammad (ca.570-632) from earth to the seventh heaven, according to Muslim legend. Mohammed was the founder of the religion, Islam. Al Borak, which in Arabian means "lighting", was a mare that was milk white in color with a human face having the cheeks of a horse. She had eagles wings which glittered with the light. She was swift, every step was a leap as far as human sight could see. Al Borak spoke with the voice of a human. Fine-limbed and high standing being strong in frame, her coat was glossy as marble. Her ears were restless and pointed like a reed. Her eyes were full of fire and large. Wide nostrils, a white star on here forehead, a neck gracefully arched, a soft and silky mane, and a thick tail that swept the ground describes the horse vividly. Mohammed stated in the KKoran that the horse should be a source of happiness and wealth for man and he claimed that he had traveled from Mecca to Jerusalem on Al Borak and from there to the seventh heaven, the topmost place in the sky. Al Borak was admitted to Paradise with other animals, such as Al Adha, the Prophets camel. In Moslem tradition, Al Borak became one of the ten animals of heaven. ((Document Fetros 1979)."

Regards,

Ron

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