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David Talbott

EDITOR'S NOTE: The following continues David Talbott's introductory
comments on the "Saturn theory." New readers are referred to earlier
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In this investigation we will see that many threads of evidence lead to
the same unified conclusions. In preceding segments we have reviewed
these unexplained associations--

Helios as Saturn; Helios as central sun, and Helios as axis of the

celestial revolutions.

Assyrian Shamash as Saturn, Shamash as central sun, Shamash at the

polar "midst" and "zenith."

Egyptian Atum-Ra as central sun, Atum-Ra as Saturn, Atum-Ra atop the

world pole.

There is a way to test the integrity of the ancient ideas we have
reviewed. Are there any independent astronomical traditions
enigmatically connecting the outermost visible planet to the celestial
pole? This would be particularly significant because nothing in the
appearance of Saturn today could conceivably suggest such a connection?
And it would show a coherence of the collective memory beyond anything
historians would have thought possible.

The answer is clear, and it is stunning. Wherever ancient astronomies
preserved detailed images of the planet Saturn, it seems that Saturn was
declared to have formerly occupied the celestial pole! The priestly
astronomy of Zoroastrianism knew the planet Saturn as Kevan, called "the
Great One in the middle of the sky," and they located the primeval seat of
Kevan at the celestial Pole. In neo-Platonist symbolism of the planets,
Kronos-Saturn is claimed to rule the celestial Pole, or is placed "over
the Pole."

It is also known that Latin poets remembered Saturn as god of "the
steadfast star," the very phrase used for the pole star in virtually
every ancient astronomy. Thus Manilius recounts that Saturn, in his
fall, toppled to the "opposite end of the world axis." Hence his
original throne could only have been atop the world axis.

A stunning example of the polar Saturn is provided in Chinese astronomy,
where the distant planet was called "the genie of the pivot." Saturn was
believed to have his station at the pole, according to the eminent
authority on Chinese astronomy, Gustav Schlegel. In the words of Leopold
deSaussure, Saturn was "the planet of the center, corresponding to the
emperor on earth, thus to the polar star of heaven."

Interestingly, the theme also appears to have passed into the mystic
traditions of numerous secret societies (Rosicrucian, Masonic,
Cabalistic, Hermetic, and others rooted in an unknown past). The
greatest authority on such societies was Manly P. Hall, who published
numerous volumes on the related belief systems. In the general
traditions reviewed by Hall, the god Saturn is "the old man who lives at
the north pole." Even today, it seems that in our celebration of
Christmas we live under the influence of the polar Saturn, for as Hall
observes, "Saturn, the old man who lives at the north pole, and brings
with him to the children of men a sprig of evergreen (the Christmas
tree), is familiar to the little folks under the name of Santa Claus."

Santa Claus, descending yearly from his polar home to distribute gifts
around the world, is a muffled echo of the Universal Monarch spreading
miraculous good fortune. But while the earlier traditions place his
prototype, the Universal Monarch, at the celestial pole, popular
tradition now locates Santa Claus at the geographical pole--a telling
example of originally celestial gods being brought down to earth

A planet at the celestial pole? The consistency of the message cannot
be denied, and it is anything but the message anticipated by
conventional models of the ancient sky.

As odd as this tradition of Saturn at the pole may appear, it has been
acknowledged by more than one authority, including Leopold de Saussure.
The principle also figured prominently in the recent work of the
historian of science, Giorgio de Santillana and the ethnologist Hertha
von Dechend, authors of _Hamlet's Mill_. According to an ancient
astronomical tradition, the authors suggest, Saturn originally ruled from
the celestial pole!

As for the rationale of Saturn's polar station, the authors could only
suggest that the concept arose as a "figure of speech" or astral allegory
whose meaning remains to be penetrated.

"What has Saturn, the far-out planet to do with the Pole?" they asked.
"It is not in the line of modern astronomy to establish any link
connecting the planets with Polaris, or with any star, indeed, out of
reach of the members of the zodiacal system. Yet such figures of speech
were an essential part of the technical idiom of archaic astrology."

It seems that the primordial age, as chronicled in accounts around the
world, stands in radical contrast to our own era. One can no more
explain Saturn's ancient connection with the pole by reference to the
present arrangements of the planets than one can explain, within
conventional frameworks, Saturn's image as the Universal Monarch, as
founder of the Golden Age, or as primeval sun god. Yet the fact
remains that throughout the ancient world these images of Saturn
constituted a pervasive memory which many centuries of cultural
evolution could not obliterate.

Separate threads of evidence, each posing its own mystery for the
specialists, thus suggest a remarkably unified memory: myth of the
Golden Age, myth of the creator-king or celestial prototype of kings,
reverence for a former sun god, the archaic day beginning at sunset,
placement of the sun god at the cosmic center and summit, identification
of the cosmic center with the axis of the turning sky, Saturn as founder
of the Golden Age, Saturn as creator-king, Saturn as primeval sun or
best sun, Saturn as god of the day (the day beginning at sunset),
Saturn as resting god or god ruling the "day of rest," Saturn at the cosmic
center and summit, Saturn ruling from the celestial pole.

In attempting to comprehend such enigmatic threads, we can no longer
afford to ignore the most fundamental of questions: Is the sky we
observe today the same sky experienced by the first stargazers?"

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