The discussion of Planet-to-Patriarch mapping at the Dark Star forum has been dead for nearly a year now, so I'm mirroring my comments from that page here just to make sure they don't dissappear from the web. http://groups.google.com/group/dark-star-planet-x/browse_thread/thread/26c7678c39622d26#
Hi, this is Charles ("Chuck the Puck") Pope from DomainOfMan.com. I
wanted to share some of my latest research with you all, as it is
entirely supportive of the Dark Star theory. Essentially, the
Biblical concept of "Jacob and his twelve sons" was derived from
knowledge of our solar system and its thirteen most significant
bodies. Jacob represents the Sun (Re) who prevailed in adversity.
Reuben (Geb) the eldest prince is intemperate and impetuous, ala
Mercury. Venus (Thoth) and Earth (Set) are twins (i.e., those planets
are very similar in size and geological makeup), and are represented
by Simeon and Levi. Simeon and Levi are also brutal killers,
particularly of one of their brothers, the fifth son Issachar
(Shechem), who corresponds to what is now the Asteroid Belt. Issachar
also mirrors the Egyptian god Sekhem/Sokar/Osiris, who was beheaded
and had his other parts scattered widely. Judah (Horus the Elder) the
fourth son corresponds to Mars ... and so on and so forth until we get
to the twelfth and youngest son Benjamin corresponding to our Sun's
twin. Benjamin (Horus the Younger) is a small but highly promising
prince that tragically dies young. There is also a close affinity
between Jacob and Benjamin. An amplified characterization of Benjamin
is found in his Greek counterpart Hercules, who was a mighty champion
but ended up killing his own sons. Another representation is found in
the Mesopotamian hero Lugalbanda ("Little Big Man"). Interestingly,
the Egyptian Horus was not born until just after the murder of Osiris.
The Babylonian Creation Myth is an other/alternative ("minority
report") version of the killing of Issachar/Osiris. (It seems even
ancient astronauts could not agree on our local cosmology, and how
could they so many billions of years after the fact.) In that
Babylonian account the 5th Planet is personified as an imperious
queen. For her haughtiness, she is smashed in the mouth and then
split in two. Part of her remains become the Earth and its
atmosphere. The Greeks had a similar myth about Aphrodite (Venus)
emerging full-formed from the head of Zeus. However, I agree with
Andy and others that the twin sun probably did not directly cause the
destruction of an inner planet, but more likely "enlisted" the help of
other celestial bodies "under its (gravitational) control". What's
more, a myth dealing with a one-time event associated with the
original formation of our solar system has been confused with a
recurring nightmare, that of bombardment by comets and asteroids.
That is it in a nutshell. For a more in-depth discussion please
follow these links:
Planets and Patriarchs: http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=55.msg288#msg288
Constellations and Patriarchs: http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=64.msg345#msg345
Mayan Comparative Mythology: http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=61.0
Review of Andrew Collins, “Beneath the Pyramids”: http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=66.msg362#msg362
2012 and Recurring Destruction Indicated by Tree-Ring and Ice-Core
Data: http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=38.0 http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=39.0 http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index.php?topic=3.0
Association of Patriarchs with Egyptian Gods: http://www.domainofman.com/book/tut-1.html
Andy, et. al:
An interpretation of the "Followers of Horus" in terns of our solar
system would be as planets and other entities orbiting the
(prospective) sub-brown dwarf. From Egyptian myth there are four main
followers/sons. From Greek myth, Hercules was generally associated
with a group of five (as in the five main companions of the Hercules-
figure Alexander the Great). Hercules detroyed the sons of his first
wife in a fit of rage. However, after Athena struck him on the head
with a rock, he sought absolution from his "sins" and was assigned a
number of "labors", such as stealing the cattle of the Sun. He then
took a new wife and had additional children of both sexes. One son
was called Hyllus ("The Star").
There are definitely a cosmic overtone to the Hercules Cycle (of
myths). Whether it reflected a true understanding of the nature of
our solar system and how it reached its present state is of course
difficult to say, but it does appear to have been an attempt.
From the perspective of our planet the "exploits" of a twin sun are in
fact intensely tragic, especially if they were blamed for the
continued destruction on Earth caused by asteroids and comets.
However, the twin sun would of course be the champion of any life-
sustaining planets that revovle around it. That sun (although small
and dim) had conquered the other sun (although large and bright).
By the way, "Chuck the Puck" is short for "Chuck the Inter-Planetary
Hope you had a Herculean "Labor Day"
The books I have only mention one reference to the "Followers of
Horus" in ancient Egypt. This is in the so-called Turin Royal Canon
(of Egyptian 19th Dynasty vintage). In this document (king-list) the
pre-dynastic rulers of Egypt are called "Followers of Horus". There
is also a much later reference by the historian Plutarch. He writes
that the hippo goddess Taweret deserted the god Set and became a
"follower of Horus". So, not much to go on. But, I suppose Adrian
Gilbert would have considered the three Magi as "Followers of Horus".
Later, Jesus had three main disciples, Peter, James, and John.
The "Four Sons of Horus" are in comparison much more frequently found
in ancient Egypt, however almost exclusively in the context of death
and burial (as funerary deities/genii). Interestingly, their primary
benefit to the deceased is to guard against hunger and thirst (more
about this below). The fact that there was a "Horus the Elder" and
"Horus the Younger" complicates the Horus typecasting. In some
instances the four sons of Horus are explicitly named as sons of Horus
the Elder. Incidently, it is also the right eye of Horus the Elder
that is equated to the sun. His left eye, associated with the moon,
was damaged in battle with Set, but later restored. The eye of Re is
also significant in Egyptian mythology, but generally associated with
a goddess (as an extension of Re's authority) rather than a purely
Something else that Adrian Gilbert sees as significant, and makes the
final point of his Magi book, is that the constellation of Orion is
now at its "highest" (most northern) position in the sky during the
precessional cycle. I agree that this is quite remarkable in the
sense that the god Osiris (equated with Orion) was violently killed in
his prime. In New Testament parlance, the Osiris figure John the
Baptist is at the peak of his popularity when he proclaims, "I must
decrease, and he [Jesus/Horus] must increase". John the Baptist was
decreased rather suddenly by beheading (as Osiris was also
decapitated). The Osiris figure signals ("prepares the way", acts as
"forerunner") for the Horus figure. When the Osiris figure is at the
height of his powers he is brutally suppressed. However, the Horus
figure is not judged for this. Instead, calamity is blamed on the
vanity and pride of the Osiris figure, and the drastic action of the
Horus figure is justified and even praised as the exploit of a
champion and savior. (The leading Horus figures of the Old Testament
were Joshua son of Nun and King David. They could be classified as
socio-pathic killers, but
Biblical history paints them as beloved and celebrated warriors.)
The Horus figure among the sons of Jacob is called Benjamin. He is
the youngest and most cherished. His father is paranoid that
something very bad is going to happen to him. Judah (corresponding to
Horus the Elder) is the primary protector of Benjamin (in the role of
Horus the Younger). Joseph is very much fixated on Benjamin, but his
main concern is giving him a silver cup. Joseph happily accepts the
decision of Jacob for the birthright (of kingly succession) to be
transferred from Judah to him. However, Joseph is just as eager for
the cup of suffering to be passed to Benjamin. The setting of this
story (Genesis 42) is one of severe famine and starvation. Benjamin
is on the surface a tender child. Yet, he is implicitly associated
with stealing grain and thereby sealing the fate of the people.
Benjamin strangely appears unexpectedly in the Genesis narrative and
just as quickly vanishes. However, in the Blessings of Jacob,
Benjamin is called a "wolf that rapidly devours its prey". This
requires some explanation.
Jesus in the Gospels similarly prays that "the cup" (of intense agony
and death) might be taken from him (and likewise pass to another). We
aren't told, at least directly, whether the request was granted, but
there are reasons to believe that the place of Jesus was actually
taken by someone else. Jesus is however the central New Testament
Benjamin, and consistent with that, he comes "out of Egypt" from the
south as a young child. His ordeal ("crucifixion") is followed by a
miraculous "resurrection". Jesus ultimately "ascends to
Heaven" (heads north) forty days later. The name Benjamin means "son
of the right hand" and connotes "son of the south". It's not obvious
what "right hand" signifies in a planetary sense. Probably it
indicates east (for the "coming of the Son of Man" is swift "like
lightning flashing from the east to the west". "South" clearly
indicates "from below". This is made doubly clear by Benjamin's
return/ascension to the north after a time of "Great Tribulation" upon
The Osiris and Horus "Passion Play" was re-enacted by the royal family
religiously in every generation. Minor natural disasters came and
went. However, the purpose of the perpetual recycling of the myth
appears to be as a reminder that the "big one" was eventually coming
again. The last super disaster (that ended the Ice Age) occurred half
a precessional cycle ago. Does that mean we have another half a
precessional cycle before it repeats? I certainly hope so, but there
have been a series of other devastating blows to Earth since circa
10,700 BC. So, exactly how often does the "wolf come knocking on the
Who's afraid of the "big bad wolf"? He won't blow our house down!
And if he does, we won't know what got our little piggies anyway.
Just look at the careful selection of symbols in the Benjamin story.
The cup is not gold but silver, indicating a dimmer sun. It is not so
much distinguished for drinking but divining (foretelling the future,
particularly future catastrophe). They not only were trying to
preserve the memory of what happened by when it had happened and when
it was due to happen again. But, "does anybody really know what time
it is, does anybody really care, about time"? (I'm telling my age!)
The Horus typecasting is that of a little but powerful dude (such as
King David). But if Horus was a relatively small celestial entity,
what was he relatively small in comparison to? The sun or the earth?
I follow Andy's logic that a sun-sized object just couldn't zip into
the inner solar system without then careening off into outer space.
But a Mars-sized object could, and possibly only wonder back out to as
little as 80-100 AU as Barry calculated. That's an orbit comparable
to Eris/Xenia, which also seems to be one of the "Followers of Horus",
i.e., a planet whose orbit is dictated by the interaction of our sun
and a "dark star". Could the "planet of crossing" be just another
(still undetected) planet like Eris and Xenia. Horus did have at
least four "sons". King David had his inner circle of three mighty
men of valor as well as thirty other rowdy thugs. In Hebrew, thirty
(lamed) is also the number associated with Benjamin. And it is the
number of "pieces of silver" accepted by Judas to betray Jesus.
I'm thinking (out loud) that Horus may have become confused with one
of his "Followers". Horus remains at a far distance, but his "mighty
men" wreak havoc like bowling balls.
The Christ myth indicates that the Horus (or one of his "Followers")
descends from heaven only to be "crucified" (ala Sitchin's Sumerian
planet of crossing). He then goes into the "underworld" for a brief
time before "resurrecting" and then "ascending" back into the
heavens. A literal three days would be too short for a planet to dip
below the ecliptic and then rise again. The forty day period between
resurrection and ascension (disappearance from the naked eye) sounds
too short also, but maybe the ratio is about right. Also, it would
make more sense if the body enters the ecliptic from the "north",
spends some time below in the underworld of the "south" and then goes
back to the "north".
The other thing that may be causing confusing is the difference
between a "Creation Myth" and an on-going recurring event. The
Babylonian Creation Myth seems to be an attempt to describe the
"primal scene", something that happened a billion years ago or more.
Possibly that did involve a close encounter with another sun. In the
Babylonian Myth, Marduk humbles proud Tiamat. In the Egyptian
version, it is the vain and effeminate Osiris that takes the beating.
The recurring nightmare of bombardment on Earth could be a lasting
consequence of that one-off event, but probably has more to do now
with the failed star "Marduk/Horus" punishing us from afar (and
through the action of his fanatical "Followers").
By the way, in Greek history/legend, the Heraclids ("Followers of
Heracles") invaded the Peloponnese every 50 years (whether they needed
to or not). It was just the "right thing to do"!
Oops, I meant to say Eris/Xenia and Sedna are the newly discovered
rogue planets (of crossing) and not Eris and Xenia.
…But what just dawned on me today is that Jesus was crucified with two
(other) criminals. So, the implication is that we need to find at
least one more major rogue planet (and possibly three more, as the
number of Hercules is five) and at least 30 minor ones (which may be
long-period comets and such), not to mention the Dark Star itself.
And Alan, by all means chop wood, it's better than pounding sand. But
surviving the next "Return of Christ/Horus" isn't something we can
expect to do on our own. Even if we're lucky enough to be in a place
where survival is possible, eventually we'll be over-run by an "Exodus
party" whose "God-given" mandate is to drive us from the land. Do you
recall the Narmer Palette? The Horus figure Narmer ("Striking
Catfish") is going around exterminating people like "lapwings". He
isn't helping people survive the catastrophe of that time, but ridding
the land of a resource burden (so that those resources can be claimed
by his "chosen people").
There are indications that Narmer and the ruling family of pre-
dynastic Mesopotamia had 120 years notice of the next cataclysm and
were therefore able to survive it with stockpiles of grain and an army
to defend it (and themselves). Dendrology records now show that the
Mediterranean went up to 20 years with no tree growth (and therefore
no food harvests) as recently as 1159 BC (exactly 13 Venus Cycles
ago). Yet, somehow a few people did survive along the Nile and
perhaps other places where there were sources of food other than
agriculture. And many survived that Great Tribulation only to be
massacred when it was over! It appears that those who have knowledge
of the "day and hour of Christ's return" use it to renew their power
as lords of the Earth.
There are reports of vast underground shelters being prepared by
governments today, but we haven't been offered a cave condo in any of
these "cities of refuge", now have we?. As Monica Lewinsky might say,
Who do ya gotta blow to get reservation in this joint? Life on Earth
can be pretty good for privileged Horus figures and their Followers,
but for the rest of humanity it's been one long "Trail of Tears".
Possibly the Gospel's "three on the cross" represents a main planet of
crossing with two moons/satellites?